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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 4, 2021

I know it’s just the opening series but, come on, Seattle stinks. And we are .333 against them. Someone posted on twitter that our outfield is something like 4 for 40 so far. Grave Duggar time. And then of course, no game today.

I’m on the side that believes that was the best college bball game of all time. Yes, it was a lucky shot. But considering the circumstances with it being the end of overtime and to preserve a perfect season I think it ranks as #1.


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  1. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:59 am

    Was helluva b-ball game. Couldn’t believe how UCLA made so many shots. Baylor has to think they can defend Zags lot better and not allow so many baskets inside.

    OK, one game lost due to pen meltdown (and shoddy D) is stuff we knew was gonna happen. Shutout by SP no one has seen before, yes that will happen too this season. Yaz will break out with some XBHs. Giants did blast 6 bombs in 3 games, 4 from 2 of “dreaded” BC. Time for others to pick up slack.

  2. sandog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:00 am

    We’ve gone at it on Twitter on this topic, so may as well bring it here as well.
    Full Disclosure–I did not watch much of the game and it sounds like it was back and forth amazing. But I did watch OT, and that lucky shot had me shaking my head instantly.
    For my high school team, when we do shooting drills from the elbow or from 3 point range and they have to make a certain amount in a certain time frame, I count the bank-ins as misses. I tell them when they bank it in they missed the basket by a foot and a half.
    I don’t like unintended bank shots and think they are ugly. For me, that shot soiled that game.

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:06 am

      do you also have an issue when your players lay it in off the glass?

      • sandog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:36 am

        C’mon Flav….

      • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:16 am

        I am a major proponent of bank shots from almost anywhere on the court. Especially in the playgrounds and schoolyards here. There are backboards that have so much “give” to them that it’s almost impossible to miss if you’re reasonably on target…

  3. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:08 am

    throwing up a prayer and having it go in is what was awesome about it. He didn’t have time to set himself. I agree bank shots are ugly when the guy just misses and it banks in. But when there’s no time left there’s also no time for aesthetics.

    • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:35 am

      Nailed it. Sorry Dawg, but saying that it was banked in somehow spoiled it is beyond ridiculous.

      • sandog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:37 am

        To each his own. I disagree with you big time.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:42 am

        What about shots that hit iron and go in, Dog? Only swishes count?

      • sandog said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:12 am

        Yes. When you are going to throw a label like “Greatest Game Ever Played” on it, the game winner needs to be clean in my book.

      • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:15 am

        The key here is that he was “throwing up a prayer” (never noticed how ugly that sounds before). Even if he swishes it, it’s still luck.

  4. Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:46 am

    Giants swept all four from the Mariners last year, so yeah, this is not a good start to the season. The opener obviously was the killer loss they should’ve won and made it a series win,

    Greatest college game ever? Sure, I won’t argue that. First one that comes to mind is the Duke-Kentucky game, but that was a regional final, there was much more at stake last night. There were a bunch of exciting championship games in the 80s, most notably NC-Georgetown, NC State-Houston (buzzer-beater), Indiana-Syrcause (buzzer-beater), also NC-Michigain in ’93. that all rank up there. I’m probably missing more, especially from last 20 years. But was absolutely was a tremendous game last night.

  5. Bozo said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:57 am

    I’m glad I didn’t bet on that game. I’ve been burnt by Gonzaga choking so many times I never bet em to win anymore.

    Giants are still working out the kinks so I’m in a wait and see mode. Having a Sunday off is weird as all hell.

  6. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:03 am

    More amazing play by Suggs was the block on Riley at rim followed by long bounce pass for slam at other end.

    Intended bank shots though, are thing of beauty. I used to win games of P-I-G (short version of Horse shooting game) by making as many bank shots as possible from either side of court, including close in ones with opposite hand.

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:18 am

      my favorite game of horse is playing it and you HAVE to bounce the ball off something first—the side of a wall, a tree, a water fountain, whatever—then you gather it and have to make the shot from wherever you pick it up. Loads of fun and forces creativity.

  7. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:17 am

    HUGE basketball game today for this area. The Stanford women are trying to win it all for the first time since 1992. That is amazing to me considering what an excellent coach Tara is.

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:30 am

      All Pac 12 final very cool, it was tough league. Lady Cards have beaten them twice already and I think their depth gets them through. Aari McDonald can really play but I think she will need more help than teammates can give vs. Stanford defense.
      One thing that does bother them though is ball pressure on perimeter–get past that (limit turnovers) and they should be able to score enough points to win. they can also big inside and should control boards at both ends. It’s funny that the dunks by Belibi always get some run—she’s like their 8-9th best player and after 2 consecutive losses TVD replaced her in starting lineup, and they haven’t lost since.

  8. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:22 am

    Took look at Daniel’s Cards blog to see if he had anything to say about Castellanos dust up but he’s still day behind. Seems like since he scored on wild pitch, the rook pitcher he was mad at for beaning him had obvious control issues.

  9. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:22 am

    to me, banking it in makes it BETTER because, as has been noted, it was a prayer that was answered

  10. James said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:24 am

    4 good things from Seattle:

    1. The offense was great in 2 of the games
    2. The defense made no errors in 2 of the games
    3. The bullpen pitched well in 2 of the games
    4. Ruining the symmetry, the starters were good to not awful

  11. blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:28 am

    Look, I get the optimism and .500 and above projections (lqtm), but this team’s rank is “firmly” in the bottom 3rd of MLB. Not a confirmation by any means, but another team (Mariners) whom also is a bottom feeder, beat us soundly yesterday.

    These are the things I am hoping for this season:

    1. Yaz at least gets hot by the trade deadline and we trade/package him for prospects or younger players that help us going forward. As I have consistently said, he’s a nice story, but you don’t build around a 31 year old player.

    2. Ramos and Bart come up in August preferably, and definitely by September. I would also like to see Bishop and Corry at least get a cup of coffee with the parent club. In other words, little or no playing time for the bore core after the trade deadline.

    3. A good draft and many trades, as well as “throwing things at the wall” and seeing if they stick.

    4. Kapler’s continued growth. All in on him, as I am with Z and his sidekick, the GM (always forget his name).

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:48 am

      Fair enough. so who plays 3b SS and 1b? LaStella is32, Solano is year older iirc.
      No idea how to know if you will ultimately wind up with “younger players that help us going forward” though; it’s just a guessing game. Yaz would surely bring back best chance, but still unlikely to me you get anyone who winds up being better than him.

      • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:07 am

        Infield? Bring up Wilson (drafted in 2019 and has a good write up in FanGraphs), or Schmidt. It really doesn’t matter, as there are plenty of journeyman outfielders and infielders that could fill temporary holes and possibly be retained in 2022 because NO ONE on the bore core is going to be extended at their current salary.

        The point is that many here act like there is going to be some sort of renaissance for one or more of the Bore Core. Not going to happen. Why would you play any of them (outside of Posey), if your situation is cemented in June/July? You want to be thinking about 2022 at that point.

      • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:10 am

        seriously?? Wilson hasn’t played A ball yet, only in alt site. the other kid was drafted last season–these aren’t ML players by any stretch. Even if current players are barely league average, these guys are way below. Not interested until they can at least show they can at least play minor league bal… which hasn’t happened yet.

      • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:32 am

        You keep getting bogged down on who will fill in the blank. Who cares? Z will figure it out and dollars to donuts, if one or more of the bore core is not playing satisfactory MLB level baseball, he will throw someone else into the mix. No way, no how is he going to keep trotting them guys out in their last contract year, especially at mid-season when the front office will be thinking about 2022 and beyond.

  12. Carstie Clausen said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:31 am

    Check it out. MLB.com features the best essay on pitching analytics I’ve yet read. It’s on how the Rays’ pitching has become so good. They follow depth analytics, with a book three feet thick on each pitcher who makes their staff. Variety. Though the message to the pitchers hinges on keeping it simple and getting two quick strikes on the hitter; the other side of the coin is to run out hurlers with different arm-angles, release points and types of pitches in such a confusing array that opposing hitters rarely are able to dig in against them.

    After last night’s fiasco at the plate–and during the process–I came to realize that the scrubinis Seattle sent out came with a disarming variety of specifically the tactics the Rays have used to such a level of success. If you want some insights into the cutting-edge of where pitching is directioning, do check out that essay. Very highly rated, IMHO.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:20 am

      That’s all well and good for the Rays, but they outsmarted themselves taking Snell out.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:23 am

        Yeah, a major botch on that one.

  13. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:07 am

    The aesthetics of watching the BC don’t bother me much and I can handle another year of it. But until Giants get better players and not just younger ones, I’m not into watching a parade of AAA scrubinis or even younger kids try to play MLB. So, find a better 3b and replace rest of the IF with better hitters who can field competently enough. Doubt seriously Giants spend $$$ on expensive FA SS that wants multi year deal. But they still have to find someone to cover all important spot IF, hopefully with more than Dubon.

    And work on pitching staff NOW, woefully bereft of quality prospects beyond Webb and Beede that can start 30 games next year.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:16 am

      This is where you are unequivocally wrong. I want to see anything but a pass his milk date Crawford after mid-season. Same with Belt. If this means a last chance for Duggar to play the outfield and Dubon to show what he has at short – I am all over that shit. Do it by June/July when you get tired of trotting Crawford out there. Similarly, I want to see Slater full time at 1st base come June/July if Belt face plants too.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:20 am

      Also, let me get this right – you are saying you want all of the bore core playing after the trade deadline if they are all wallowing in/below the “Mendoza Line” and fuck 2022, because you just enjoy seeing them play? lol

    • Carstie Clausen said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:08 am

      Yes, shortstop is the primary sticking-point among position players. One reason why I called attention to the piece of the Rays’ pitching philosophy is that with the host of possibles that our Dumpster-Divers have brought on board; a reconstruction of how the Giants employ pitchers may need to be at least partially modeled on the successful template developed in low-spending Tampa Bay. I do feel that Hjelle is about ready to join Webb and Beede in the 2022 rotation.

  14. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:21 am

    What ruins yesterday’s college basketball game for me is that I couldn’t care less which team won it. The last shot went in or didn’t go in? I couldn’t care less. I gave a thought to trying to drum up a rooting interest in one of the teams, but the reality is, I have disliked both of those teams for many years. I’m pulling for Baylor in the finals.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:29 am

      The main reason I like the Zags, is I saw a lot of them when my daughter went to St Mary’s. She was there the same 4 years as Dellavedova and Olynyk and we saw a lot of their games. Sure, they’re a wealthy private school, but they have some actual standards, and when you look at the grist mills like Duke, North Carolina, etc. that use up and spit out players, they offer more than the one-and-done philosophy,.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:48 am

        Dellavedova, yikes. I’m so glad I haven’t seen him play basketball in quite a while.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:34 am

      I have to disagree with “greatest game ever.” Not even close.

      Emotionally, I have zero interest in “soldier of fortune” type mercenary college basketball players. One year and out? How do you emotionally connect to that team? Please explain because I don’t get it. I would rather watch a high school team that has been together 3-4 years.

  15. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:24 am

    My though has always been if the bore core is swinging limp bats, they very well may get Penced by the break.

    No matter that we may or may not have superb replacements for them, what is the point of trotting them out there if they are gonna do little? Posey is the only one safe from this due to his handling of the pitching staff, but this isn’t about playing out the string, it’s about turning the roster over to move the guys up from below and seeing who is viable.

    • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:28 am

      I’m not sure what “Penced” means there. He was never released by the Giants. He was benched eventually. So the benching of some BC could happen. I could see that happening.

      • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:26 am

        Pence was released by the Giants last season.

      • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:27 am

        Ah, just saw Unca’s post.

  16. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:31 am

    Craw may be done as a major leaguer after this season. It’s hard to see him being sought as a free agent next season.

  17. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:31 am

    Pence was released in August last year.

    • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:34 am

      Well, last year doesn’t really count, IMO. I’m thinking of the last season of his big contract in ‘18, when he was terrible all season.
      Although it was different team brass in ‘18, which undercuts my point.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:36 am

        Although we’re not exactly sure how much power Baer still has.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:37 am

        Or how much total power Z has.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:38 am

        I’m sure Z is aching like crazy to be done with the Bore Core.

    • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:37 am

      Which like Pablo was 5 months too late..

  18. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:34 am

    Best place for GD would be working at the #1 burial cemetery in California at Colma .He could keep Wyatt Earp’s grave nice and tidy and put daisies down all year long and tell him all be your huckleberry Wyatt..

  19. James said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:38 am

    Z and co. will adjust to what’s happening on the field. If the oldsters are performing well, they’ll continue to play and be assessed for their utility beyond this season or shopped around. If Blade’s/UC’s expectations/hopes come to pass, then the early wholesale changes they want are far more likely.

    • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:53 am

      Oldsters = all of the 30+ year old position players. I don’t think Zaidi has internalized the concept of the Bore Core.

      • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2021 at 9:57 am

        So in other words the whole starting unit plus most of the bench.They just slog on with the oldest team in baseball..

  20. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:05 am

    i don’t need to be emotionally connected to any of these teams. I just want to see something unexpected unfold in real time. To me, that’s what sports is all about. And that shot, lucky or not, was incredible considering the moment which was huge for all those players

    • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:14 am

      Was watching the broadcast on my phone. I won’t forget that ending. I saw it through the eyes of a UCLA alum friend who grew up with parents who also went there. Bruins basketball absolutely ruled the household.

    • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:37 am

      I agree, Flav.

      • Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:41 am

        thank you.It’s important to be on the right side of history here. San Dawg and Blade are not on that side.

  21. Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:14 am

    Per Mark Few, Suggs hits shots like that all the time in practice and it is, indeed, something they practice on a regular basis. Dinging that incredible play based on aesthetics makes no sense to me, Sandog. It’s not a game of HORSE, it’s the biggest game any of those kids will likely ever play in.

    Few not calling a timeout there is not being talked about, but it was a huge part of how the game ended. The Bruins were in disarray and backpedaling or sprinting back in transition, giving Kispert then Suggs the opportunity to make that play.

    Anyway, great game and kudos to UCLA. That is one game basketball team and Johnny Juzang is a true stud. GU could not stop him. I fully expected the Bulldogs to fuck it up again, but they managed to get out of their own way and pull out a huge win. I’d really love to see Few get his championship because it’s about the only thing missing from his stellar resume. He’s one of the good guys in the game.

    The tournament remains one of the great sporting spectacles anywhere. So much fun.

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:17 am

      I read Cronin was yelling “stop ball”, which no one ever did until it was too late and Suggs got clean look at last shot.

  22. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:41 am

    I’m just so tired of the “Gonzaga, the little team that could” narrative. I’ll give the coach credit, he built a major basketball program in the middle of nowhere. He somehow got a pipeline going to Australian players. But they’re not a little program anymore. They are a major college team. If they win the championship this season, that’s fine. UCLA didn’t need another championship anyway. I have no idea what the Baylor men’s basketball team history is. I won’t be watching the finals anyway. Not that anyone should care if I’m watching it or not. Lulz.

  23. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:45 am

    How great yesterday’s college game is ranked will depend on if they win the championship. If they lose the finals, how can a semi-final game be considered the greatest ever? Over Jimmy V winning at the buzzer? Over Walton shooting 21 for 22 in the finals?

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:50 am

      Good point 👍

    • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 10:56 am

      Was Bobby Thomson’s homer diminished by the subsequent WS loss?
      Couldn’t tell ya…

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:03 am

        Absolutely not.

      • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:13 am

        I agree, LJ.
        Certainly not in NY…

      • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:32 am

        Or the Fisk homer.

      • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:37 am

        I agree, Mac.
        Certainly not in Boston…

  24. Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:05 am

    Not having games scheduled on Sunday, especially this early in the season but any time really, is retarded to me. WTF, it’s arguably the biggest baseball day of the week.

    • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:12 am

      I’d like to hear the reasoning behind that scheduling quirk.

      • xoot said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:22 pm

        I greatly enjoy Sunday day games at the park. Downtown SF is quiet, the weather’s good. I think Easter may have had something to do with today’s quirk, but I’m not sure. The holiday always catches me by surprise. Sorry, but my initial response is, every year, who gives a fuck? But obviously many do.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:13 am

      By not being scheduled on Sundays, the prime family day for baseball goes down the big swirly. Baseball desperately needs to get families more involved in the game. Lower the ticket and food/drink prices on Sundays for a starter.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:20 am

        Exactly, and those are good ideas. I love Sunday baseball, whether it’s going to the games or just watching on TV. Very chill and relaxed and it just seems to fit, like ice cream and the cone. Not having it leaves a hole. The season just started and we all want to watch some Giants baseball, every day!

    • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:43 pm

      I agree, xoot, but I’d be surprised if Easter was the reason, especially these days. I could be wrong, I often am. lol

      • xoot said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:46 pm

        well, mlb has the numbers and knows how to crunch em. Finance (not rule change) is their métier, IMO. They must be doing everything they can to revive revenue now.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 5:05 pm

        Plus there was a full slate of games elsewhere, so the Easter thing is out. And I agree, xoot, I’m sure MLB is chomping at the bit to bring in more revenue given all that’s happened.

  25. Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:11 am

    Zaidi has shown so far that he will do what’s best for the team. If the so-called bore core isn’t performing, I’d fully expect some changes to be made. Sometimes this whole process seems to be moving incredibly slowly, but I’ve come to appreciate what he’s doing and think he’ll eventually get the Giants where we all want them to be.

    It’s easy to forget what a disastrous condition the Giants were in when he took over, on so many levels, and I’ve come to appreciate what he’s doing, the method to his madness. And the idea of staying with Craw makes perfect sense to me, because they really don’t have any better options defensively. Dubon seems pretty inconsistent at short and better in CF, at least with the glove. Now, if Craw completely tanks at the plate, that’s a different story and maybe you revisit things then, but he managed to get it done last year so I think he’ll get every chance again this year. I don’t recall him ever really coming out of the gates red hot.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:14 am

      Good points.

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:37 am

      This is season where you get to judge where the prospects are, not when you call up guys that didn’t play last season at all other than maybe Bart or Ramos or Vosler who have some minor league ball behind them. See what level they can handle and adjust from there. But just because someone is “projected” to come up in 2022 or beyond doesn’t mean they will be any good at it The Coast League inflates hitting stats like crazy. Duggar had 1.000 OPS there, and has struggled mightily to hit ML pitching. so did guys like Mac and Parker.

      Giants pitching though is so far behind LA and SD. Other than Gausman none of the current SPs would be more than 5 or 6 back end starter on those teams. You have to get better than Webb or Beede to ever contend even for WC.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:03 pm

        The fact that LA and SD have spent huge money on free agents plays into that. Once some of the money comes off the books, the Giants will be able to do that to a certain extent. And they do have some highly regarded pitching prospects coming up.

  26. djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:17 am

    As a follow up to my 10:16 post about bank shots, the backboard should be thought of as a teammate on offense. If you pass him the ball in the right spot, he basically dunks it for you…

    • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:30 am

      Yup, just hit the square. Who’s to say that that’s not exactly what Suggs was trying to do. It’s certainly a more prominent target than the rim from that distance, halfway between half court and the 3-point arc.

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:40 am

      Amazing how difficult it is to do that, even “hit the square” as you tell kids all the time. Honest, missed layups and 2 footers are one of most frustrating things to watch as a coach. I tell kids in practice, we’re gonna get these all the time in a game, concentrate and make them here and now.
      Just ask South Carolina women about it.

      • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:45 am

        Zags seem to miss their fair share around the rim, but then they generate a lot of opportunities there.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:06 pm

        The Zags missed at least 10 shots under the basket last night. Very frustrating indeed.

      • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:36 pm

        In Connie Hawkins’ book, he tells a story of him and his high school buddies giggling at a white kid they were watching at the other end of their Brooklyn playground. The kid’s father was making him take 100 lay-ups with each hand. The Hawk later learned that the kid’s name was Billy Cunningham…

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:38 pm

        Sure, it takes practice to hit the square, but it’s a sight easier than trying to “swish” it from 30 feet. Tough shot either way. We get spoiled with Steph Curry knocking back 35 foot jumpers on a routine basis.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:41 pm

        That’s an awesome story, Loo. Billy turned out okay.

  27. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:49 am

    UCLA had a 3 on 2 fastbreak, I think after Timme fell down with ball trying to drive late game (not OT I don’t think) and the shot they got was floater in middle that missed and Zags got rebound. that’s something you work on every day going back to middle school ball, running a break with man advantage and finishing with a layup.
    Nowadays, with everyone running to 3 pt line, often you get nothing out of it, which is ridiculous just like what happened to bruins in this case.

    • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 12:16 pm

      Yup. That floater on the break with all that forward momentum was hideous…

  28. James said, on April 4, 2021 at 11:55 am

    SD gets little love for his bank shot stance, but generates a whole Sunday’s worth of commentary. Yesterday’s thread title could have been used again today. My meta-commentary is concluded.

  29. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    LJ, your 12:38 is spot on, but 3s are what all kids want to practice most. bugs me to all H. Walk into the gym, put shoes on, take the ball out and where do they go with first shots? 3 pt line…and I;m talking middle school kids who can’t hit FTs.
    After a practice one of my better players was shooting 3s with his Dad rebounding. After 4th or 5th miss in a row including airballs, I said to Dad, “maybe have him move in and shoot from FT line.”
    Btw Zags blew their share of FTs yesterday too, not good look.

    • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:20 pm

      But don’t all the kids nowadays know how to handle the ball? The 6-year old next door already looks like he’s been studying YouTube pound crossover dribbling tutorials for years.

      • willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:28 pm

        Yes. Passing, not so much.

      • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:49 pm

        Figured. Still, it is at least one fundamental skill that wasn’t something you typically brought to the playground back in the day.

  30. snarkk said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:23 pm

    That downtown shot winner by the Suggs kid was not luck, not all anyway.
    The guy took a 40 foot jumper on the run. Form was good, he eyeballed it, squared up as best he could, and let it fly. It was on a good trajectory, on line. 2/3 of the way there, you can tell he knew it was in. Luck is where a dude with no skills throws in a half court shot. This shot was by a guy with top, college skills. He’s probably practiced long shots like that quite a bit, just for those situations, as he’s the kid likely to get the handle then. I’m not comparing him to Steph, but if Steph makes that one, it’s clearly not “luck”. Same principle here, a skilled player gets “lucky” a lot more than a low-skilled player. As they say, “luck is when opportunity meets preparation”…

    • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:03 pm

      Certainly less lucky than a Hail Mary pass, but does that ball go in more than a handful of times a season in game situations?

      • snarkk said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:15 pm

        I’m not defining luck by any statistical standard.
        I’m just saying that the winning shot last night had much more than a scintilla of skill in it.
        It was a legitimate jumper, albeit a long one, by a skilled shooter. He didn’t throw it out of his ass. No doubt he’s practiced that length of shot before. And, yes, a 40 footer should have more of a chance than a half court shot, or one beyond the half court line, where it’s more of a heave or a shot put than a jumper executed in the form of a jumper…

      • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:31 pm

        The shot would have been executed the same way, if he had been 10 feet farther back. He had to catapult himself forward to get the distance. Maybe he can toss up a shot like that and hit iron most of the time, but I’m skeptical.

      • Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 5:03 pm

        Few said he practices it all the time and makes it more often than not. I think you’re right on snarkk. Works out to be about a 28 footer, maybe a little longer. Long but certainly makeable a fair amount of the time.

      • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 5:31 pm

        The basketball court is 92 feet long. I think it was a “little” longer than 28ft. I’d love to see the video of him running full tilt into a 40 foot shot and making it over 50% of the time. Maybe he should just shoot them all the time, take the game to the next level.

    • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:06 pm

      “Collectively, NBA players try shots from beyond half-court a few hundred times each season; approximately 1 in 100 of those shots are made . . . Andre Miller may have attempted over his career the most half-court shots of any player. During his first 13 seasons in the NBA, Miller went 3-for-102 from beyond half court. Jason Williams and Andre Miller each attempted 12 half-court shots in 2001.” From Wikipedia.

      • James said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:07 pm

        Yes, I realize it says “beyond.”

  31. djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:25 pm

    I sure remember this one…

  32. djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:29 pm

    And of course this one.
    Wilt illegally inbounded the ball, BTW…

  33. willedav said, on April 4, 2021 at 1:54 pm

    Godson tells me Pads are going with Morejon tomorrow. He’s 22 yrs old LHP of much promise. Snell and Musgrove btw them pitched 10 and 2/3 vs. AZ and allowed 0 runs, striking out 16. Paddack, 24 yr old, starts today. No way Giants are close to that level of quality, from vets or prospects. Doesn’t even count Lamet, still rehabbing.
    Giants will see Snell Wed. vs. Gausman.

  34. mrsprtdude said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:47 pm

    Gonzaga game a great one. I’m on the right side craig!
    I’m STILL annoyed as F Crawford didn’t catch that ball. Lack of footwork on a routine play boggles. I’m 55 and I catch that ball 9/10 times imo.

  35. sandog said, on April 4, 2021 at 2:53 pm

    Ok, let me put this issue to bed once and for all.
    First off, the sexy matchups where legends are made in the NCAA Tourney are when you send your team to the Final Four or when you win it all. This game was neither. Now let’s look at the matchup. In one corner, you have the team from the glorified high school conference who has never won anything in their existence. Their claim to fame is choking like dogs every year when they have to play teams who come from conferences where they play games in these buildings called “arenas” that hold more than 2,000 people.
    In the other corner you have the team that has every advantage under the sun going for them–tradition, location, facilities, great school, etc—yet the best they can do is limp into the dance as the 67th team invited to participate. So the matchup is crap vs crap to start with. There’s a reason why I was content to not watch the game and chose instead to help my brother fix his backyard space heaters. (Plus, it is almost more fun for me to follow the game through Wilie’s steady stream of text updates and analyses.)
    So when you combine all that with a sloppy bank shot to win it, I don’t get “one of the greatest games” of all time.
    To find a better game, you’d only have to go back to 2016 where Villanova took out North Carolina on a last second shot. 2 powerhouse programs with the TITLE on the line. And a pure stroke to win it.
    Last night a great game? Fine. Most exciting game of the tournament? Also fine. One of the greatest games ever? No. THE greatest game ever?? Not even close.

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 3:38 pm

      The greatest of all time. I’m gonna die on that hill

    • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2021 at 3:42 pm

      Good analysis SD . . . The hyperbole of “greatest game ever” or even, “one of the greatest games ever” (which wasn’t the description given) is laughable in my estimation, when you consider the tournament is NOT EVEN OVER.

      This guy from the LA Times says it better than me (see link below) . . . “The Zags have to beat Baylor for this game to remain in the conversation for best of all time. If the Bears win, it will be another classic tournament game to be loved in the short term but discarded from our collective sports consciousness in the long term.”


      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 3:45 pm

        I agree with that. The Laettner shot is remembered as a big deal because Duke went on to win the championship game.

  36. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 3:48 pm

    And, frankly, Dwight Clark’s catch is a bigger deal because the Niners went on to win the Super Bowl. I doubt anyone called it The Catch until after the Niners won the Super Bowl two weeks later.

    • xoot said, on April 4, 2021 at 4:59 pm

      This was a week before the SB. Originally, it was The Drive and this, apparently. Pretty big deal.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:05 pm

        I’m not sure what your point is.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:11 pm

        I never said it wasn’t an amazing historic catch. I just meant it became even greater because of the Niners winning the Super Bowl. I think that’s true. Well, it’s my opinion, anyway.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:14 pm

        Maybe “more revered” was a better choice of words.
        The Catch can be seen as the beginning of the Niners’ dynasty and Roger Craig’s fumble the end of it.

      • xoot said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:31 pm

        SI called it “The Super Catch” immediately. Half the people I knew celebrated that great game for the next two weeks. I’m not gonna speculate on how “sports consciousness” would’ve treated the play if the SB had gone the other way. I sort of doubt a sports consciousness exists, I guess. I’d probably call it something else.

      • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:56 pm


  37. djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 3:58 pm

    There might be some blurring between greatest game ever and greatest finish ever…

    • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 4:03 pm

      There have been great finishes that were subpar games until the end. This was an outstanding game from start to finish.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:55 pm

        That NFC Championship game sprints to mind. Iirc three Ni era had 6 turnovers that game. Dallas 4.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:56 pm

        Why I hate posting on my phone

  38. Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    30 minutes to go for Stanford. Interesting during these women’s games that they’ll have player interviews at half, I can’t imagine that ever happening on the men’s side.

  39. Lurker John said, on April 4, 2021 at 4:32 pm

    Jamal Wilkes. The Warriors never did get over that dumb trade. And yeah, Wilt was practically standing inbounds. lol

  40. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 5:18 pm


  41. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    Congrats to Stanford! The game seemed very physically rough to me, like the refs were letting a lot of stuff go.

  42. Bozo said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    I know I should know this, but why are the Giants off on a Sunday?

    • zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:00 pm

      I think there are possibly weird days off for teams early on so that rain-outs can be dealt with better. I vaguely remember reading that somewhere.

      • Bozo said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:19 pm

        OK, I still don’t understand MLB using a weekend day. Thanks, Zum.

  43. Flavor said, on April 4, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    Jesus Matt Moore is still pitching? He’s starting for the Phillies tomorrow. I’m not sure what is more crazy, the fact that he’s still chugging along or the fact that he’s only 31.

  44. Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:17 pm

    I’m also trying to figure out the reason for the day off today. Giants-Mariners were one of three 3-game interleague series, along with Rays-Marlins and Twins-Brewers. Rays and Marlins also were off today. Twins-Brewers played today because their day off was Friday. Seems to me MLB could’ve done the same with the other two interleague series and skipped Friday instead of today, so maybe it was just typical shortsightedness on their part. And all the other 3-game series skipped Friday, although as Zumie said that’s due to potential rainouts for the opener. Not sure why they gave Twins-Brewers Friday off since there was no chance of postponement at Milwaukee.

    • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:24 pm

      I’m a big believer in the Peter Principle…

  45. zumiee said, on April 4, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    I only recently learned about this recording from The Carefrees called “We Love The Beatles.” It’s from 1964 and was a minor hit for The Carefrees (whoever they were.) It’s terrible, but could be seen as a little innovative in its early use of sampling. It uses a few snippets of the Beatles in the track.

  46. xoot said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:08 pm

    The game between the Angels and WSox tonight has had some compelling moments. Ohtani came close to getting clocked while trying to cover home plate. He also hit a HR 450 and the gun at 100 often.

    • Macdog said, on April 4, 2021 at 8:17 pm

      That was a bizarre play.

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