The Aftermath
Yesterday was so much fun. The “small town” feel of this ride has sustained itself. I had people I didn’t know yelling “Go Giants!” and “World Series Champs, baby!” out of their car windows as they drove by me on the street. It seemed like 80% of the Bay Area, at least on the west side, had their Giants gear proudly on display….
I couldn’t help thinking a lot about Rod Beck yesterday. It’s just too bad he never got to experience this, even just as a former Giant alum. He had 199 saves for us but only got to pitch in one playoff game for the Giants. And if there was ever a guy who would have fit into this team, identified with the personality of the 2010 guys, it was Shooter…….
Everyone who *made it* to November 2nd, 2o1o and got to wake up to the brilliance of this accomplishment should take the time to appreciate it. So many great Giants and great Giants fans weren’t as fortunate…..
All right, so let’s start talkin’ some baseball. Who do we keep? Who gets let go? I imagine Huff and Ross get resigned, The Bat and Uribe don’t, Renteria retires and Aaron Rowand….uh…..just disappears. But we’ll see. Mark DeRosa’s flexibility WILL factor into what they do with the decisions related to the guys above…….
I know the Giants would love to have Uribe return but I think the cat is out of the bag on him and he’ll get a multi-year deal for more than Sabean is willing to pay…..
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Enjoy the parade. Wish I could be there, which I will be in spirit. No doubt in my mind that it will be more shockingly emotional and overwhelming than anyone can imagine. Or just fun.
Woke early today. Lots to do…. I’m seeing Aubrey struggle from bed, untangling those long legs, groggily groping for the wall.. Andres BOLTING from his… Fruckie doing a spin to the dresser… uh-oh, Pat just missed his pant leg… the PARADE, they’re geting ready… like I said, I don’t like to inject politics and I like Newsom fine but it ought to be Willie Brown today…I did a stint as a bill collector some years ago, BTW, when Willie was a debt attorney for some real deadbeats- one of the best:
“Sue him, Fuck you. Bye Now”.. that was Willie…
Twin I agree about leaving the politics out but I do want to share a Willie Brown story. When he was first running for Mayor he came into Harrington’s Bar and Grill on Front street (the late Kathleen Harrington held many events for politicos there). Willie comes up to me to shake my hand and I tell him ‘You are the only one with enough mojo to get us a new ballpark, you’ll have my vote”. He smiled that grin of his and replied “Why? So you can walk to it from here?” and I said “Well, sure I’ll walk to it from here”. Well when he ran for the second term, he came back in to do the greet and shake hands thing and he again gets to me. I tell him “You got me my ballpark, like I said before, you’ve got my vote”. The dude looks at me and says (Have you walked to it from here yet?”. Maybe it was just a standard line but I was floored.
Thinking on possible moves: little doubt that they’ll decline Edgar’s option-but I don’t rule out a make good. A run at Alex Gonzales might be in the offing, there’s talk of Crawford. Wouldn’t he and Andres look pretty nice in center and left… Aaron? Maybe they can eat half and pick up a solid back up catcher.I’m also a bit intriqued with Buster at first, Panda behind the dish, Beltre at third… rooks making a bid for spots: Belt, Neal, Edlefson, perhaps Crawford depending on whether they move on Gonzales or trade for a Bartlett…Burriss should be there, Nate might be in trouble or be moved., Travis’ status will depend on Huff negotiations and Belt… Zits stays as the 5, I guess. Juan could be tough, I agree with Craig. His bargain days might be over right when a bargain deal might be as good as they should offer. But fuck that: they’ve got their rings, give the Cruel Swinger Fruckie $ for two years…
Willie would have been at Le Central when I arrived for my planned Cassoulet celebratory dinner after the 2002 parade.. the barkeep was a guy who liked to call himself “Stan the Man”.. he was a gambler, welched on all his bets with the customers, who seemed to expect it. Fuckwad stiffed me for TEN BUCKS once. Ten bucks. And called me a lowlife for asking for it…
Hell, today I even forgive The Man.. I am so looking forward to seeing Edgar hold his prize high…
I woke up this morning and as I’ve done many, many times, I read the posts on the Flap that I missed after going to bed. I read Ted’s post about the Splash (very good post by the way) and thought to myself this is the 2010 World Champs they’re talking shit about, and you know what? No Troll, no Soph no fuckwad, dunderhead piece of crap can take that away from this team or it’s fans, EVER. I know I’m weirdo and have known it for years, but some of those folks are completely whacked. I’ll bet the guy that plays soph really does have some teddy bears that he strangles or whatever. Unfucking believable.
Part of the off season calculation has to focus on Pablo. He’s only 23. I would not write him off so quickly.
I’m not writing him off at all. It’s in his hands and mouth. He can go either way: a dedication to greatness or happy to be a guy who played in the bigs…
It’s up to Pablo, though.
Yeah I agree about Pablo, felt the same way about Kevin Mitchell. Just think if Kevin had had Bonds ego!! God he hit the hell out of the ball!! On KNBR today Kruk says that Rent tests the waters and if nothing comes his way the Giants offer him minimum and he helps mentor the next SS. I think Posey catches 1-2 more years, then move him to first. I think the Giants have someone in AA??
Tommy Joseph seems to be the guy they look for at either first or behind the plate in a couple years. Said to have 30+power potential…
Having one of my all time favorite winter dinners tonight: a salad with bitter greeens, baby spinach, roasted beets and apples, yam chips, and chunks of slow roasted pork loin.. in a mustard vinaigrette with corn muffns on the side.
Yeah, the ‘roids get me thinking dinner EARLY.. I’m getting round again, like the Panda. I’m not sure if I can field my position anymore.
A stat from an SI article.
Lincecum went 9-2 after Sept. 1, including four wins in the postseason in which he beat Derek Lowe, Roy Halladay and Lee twice. And talk about being strong to the finish. Lincecum tied a record for most strikeouts in a World Series-clinching win. With 10 punchouts he joined the company of Bob Gibson (1967), Sandy Koufax (1965), Hal Newhouser (1945) and Orval Overall (1908).
To be in the company of Gibson and Koufax, I don’t know the other two, but I remember Gibson and Koufax!!
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/11/02/world.series.game.5.five.cuts/index.html?utm_source=bleacherreport.com#ixzz14Eh6tGZO
Kevin, you don’t remember Orval the Orful Overall? I’m shocked
Report from the front. I just walked down (up) Battery Street. They’ve cordoned off Washington Street. East of Battery towards Front there are motorized cable cars (cheesy) with large Giants banners (glittered. Go figure) West of Battery (towards Sansome), a fleet of cool vintage autos. All convertibles of course. Listened to the band warming up. Didn’t see any Giants but the cars all had signs in the reat seats with the names of who will be riding in them. There was even a big black car with the sign Magowan Family. That was nice of the Giants
I hope they sign Cody and the Huffster those guys were just a complete delight to watch. Pat was originally signed as a pinch hitter off the bench do they try that for one more year?
Panda could become a huge consideration for signings. It’s not just his bat but what position to play him. If you move him to first are we better with Huff in left and DeRosa at third?
SS, I don’t have a clue at what direction they’ll take. I would imagine that if Rent retires he’s given one of those adviser positions.
Will/can you trade Rowand to a Midwest team with a bandbox?
Ishi and Nate are out of options, who stays who goes?
Next year has a lot of question marks (just like this year did). I think the difference next year would be, this year we wanted to get to the playoffs and see what we could do, next year we want to repeat.
Whatever, it should be fun.
Cody is theirs if they want him, I think. Arb eligible, I have little doubt he’ll be back in RF… I think they’ll get it done with Aubrey, the goodwill aspect is worth millions alone. Rent’s HR made about a kazillion dollars vanish into the autumn air.. a bill just landed by my back door. I’ll light tonight’s fire with it…
I can’t really recommend this story from the NYT in its entirety because the writer spends far too much space likening Lincecum to Orel H. Might as well try to find the similarities between Johnny Cash and Pat Boone. But the heart of the story, quoted below, gets at the heart of the season. When Lincecum and Zito both went into horrible slumps in August, one of them emerged and carried the team. Every fuckwad who insulted Timmy during that month really should be at the parade today, cheering him now.
Lincecum has had the changeup for years. The slider — he called it his go-to pitch in Game 5 — he developed late this summer, after an alarming August in which he went 0-5 with a 7.82 earned run average.
No Giant in 18 years had gone 0-5 or worse in a month, with an E.R.A. that high. Lincecum tried adjusting his mechanics, the bedrock of his greatness, and spoke often by phone with his father. As the Giants scrambled to catch the National League West-leading San Diego Padres, Lincecum’s woes held them back.
“It was like a major crisis, and for good reason,” Righetti said. “The 49ers weren’t playing yet, we were in the middle of the season, trying to make it, and our best guy, supposedly, was going through his struggles. It was a major story.”
Righetti continued: “It’s not easy. He’s a young guy with a lot on his shoulders. For him to regroup like he did was tremendous. Tremendous fortitude. That’s what you’re most proud of. The outcome, sometimes, we can’t control. But how he went about it the last two months, I’m obviously very proud of him.”
Lincecum credited a new workout, focused more on his legs and core muscles, with smoothing his mechanics and invigorating his preparation.
“After that,” he said, “it became more of just what I wanted to throw as opposed to how I was going to throw it.”
It also kept him strong down the stretch, with a 9-2 record and a 2.17 E.R.A. from Sept. 1 through the end of the World Series. Over 78 2/3 innings, Lincecum had 95 strikeouts and 17 walks, and opponents hit .188 against him.
Amazing. Just think where we’d be if he hadn’t righted the ship.
Timmy deserved every brickbat in August… every last one. And every accolade thereafter…
The roar of the greasepaint, the smell of the crowd . . .
bullshit. The way he pulled himself out of it, developing the very pitch that beat the Rangers the other night, shows that he deserved nothing but support while he was fighting through the rough patch. Brickbats under circumstances like that come from fuckwad couch coaches. Some have the sense to revise their bullshit in light of later information. Some don’t.
Well lets not forget the two dudes who threw Shut outs!! I mean Timmy deserves his due but Cain and Bum were just lights out great!! 4 pitchers under the age of 30. There are so many videos to watch. I could just sit here for hours!!
And MORE than Tim, MORE than Matt, MORE than Madison: headcase Sanchez got them here and don’t forget it.
Amen!
Last Month of season:
Tim: 5-1 1.94
Matt 3-1 3.29
Madison 2-2 1.13
Headcase 4-1 1.01 THE CLINCHER
I would like to see Ross, Huff and Uribe back but it may be just Ross.
Has J.Sanchez peaked? I think his PS performance was not as bad as some. Combined with his effort down the stretch he was nails. With DeRosa coming back would Sabean consider moving him in combination with Franchez now that SF got a ring?
Out side of the PS and Posey I see it as wide open.
Yeah, I wish the team would hire RJ in some capacity. I think he had more to do with Sanchez’s success than anyone else. . .
The financial district is already getting swamped. A sea of orange and black and Panda hats.
Oh my
Some rogue orange truck driving around the perimeter with one of those owooooga horns
I think everyone universally accepts that we wouldn’t have won the WS without Dirrrrty Sanchez– but, you could say that about 7 or 8 guys I think
I love J. Sanchez’s contribution this season, but I’m also glad it didn’t come down to that 7th game.
I think the Giants know pitching, an understatement. It will be interesting to see how they handle these guys, but unless you have a sure winner in the wings, why touch this starting four? Who cares what order they end up in, but I’m guessing next year we will get a lot more respect. these guys are all still young for pitchers, but can you imagine how hot they will be over the next five years? I am not surprised if Bum doesn’t end up leading the group.
If by that you mean the Giants wouldn’t have gotten to the World Series without him, absolutely. But his actual contribution to *winning* the World Series was more of an intangible. Camaraderie building, maybe, as in bringing the team to think as one, getting the benches to clear while Affeldt warmed up, sure. I can buy into that sort of thing.
But his actual pitching in game 3…well…
I’m going to watch the parade on TV. I gave a thought to going to it, but I think going to it sounded better in theory than actually doing it. Hundreds of thousands of people descending on the parade route. Ralph on KNBR yesterday telling parents to take their kids out of school for the day. I could visualize being stuck blocks and blocks from the parade route, without being able to get closer. The CSN coverage will suffice for me.
It will be an amazing day. The emotion will flow for everyone, and rightly so.
One of the other Giants fans in my office just mentioned that a webcast of the parade will be available at ktvu.com. Apparently here:
http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html
It’s just possible that Sandoval’s intrigue trade value might eclipse his potential for reverting to form as Kung Fu Panda. Sabean should be open to offers. As for keeping him, how does he rate as a catcher? How does he compare with the average ML catcher for calling pitches, blocking bad throws and firing to second? At third i see him as adequate +.
Team’s primary need is a slick fielding SS with good range and not an embarrassment at the plate. Speed would be a highly desirable bonus. DeRosa’s return complicates things a bit. Most likely he would fill the expected super-sub, utility role originally envisioned for Uribe. If some team does not sweep him off his feet with a huge 3-year offer, the Juan and only would anchor 3B.
Secondary need is for a better than adequate backup catcher. That’s not an extremely rare commodity. If the Giants do not see Sandoval moving back behind the plate, those potential offers could be tempting ~ particularly if some riverboat gambler of a GM could see his way to springing for a package of Pablo and Rowand.
Most likely to make the team outta ST are Brandon Belt and Steve Edlefsen. Thomas Neal may be ready by mid-season or so. Sparkling 2B Charlie Culberson goes from SJ to Richmond, most likely, but probably is a year away. Francisco Peguero in the OF may have a roughly similar trajectory. Dan Runzler is another to watch.
Sabean holds the bull-hand going into the offseason. He would have to be totally swept off his feet to trade any element of the Rotation. He may get offers for Runzler, Wheeler and a couple other young pitchers. Except for nailing down that young, talented SS, Brian can hold a pat hand and let the others come to him. I like that position.
Uribe will be the first one signed. I think if we learned much from Bochy, it is that he knows value. Uribe is due a big payday but he ought to be the first one signed. I guess some fans will only measure these guys value by their October, but I know Bochy and Sabean will not be so short sighted.
Good to see Omar Vizquel sign for another year and only about 201 hits away from his HOF ticket with 3,000 hits. Couldn’t happen to a better player and man.
Yeah, parade is out for me. Sounds like Halloween on Castro St multiplied.
I can’t imagine trying to haul a couple of young kids around.
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Stix, did you read where they are going to try and turn Runzler into a starter?
Looks like MLB Network is also showing the parade.
Max: Yes i did see something about Runzler being groomed to start. With the Zito contract hanging like an albatross, though, my thought is that this is a matter of showcasing the kid. Giants have ultimate respect right now as an organization that develops primo pitchers.
Dan could easily become part of a semi-blockbuster package-deal trade to some team with a good player or two the Giants could use to firm up the Dynasty. Picture what they could get for a package of the young loogie along with Pablo and Row-Row or maybe Nate: Perhaps a quality SS and a speedy OF a year or two further along than Neal or Peguero.
“The Crowd looks absolute great!! Damn this is just like when the Niners won their first SB in 1981
A sea of orange and black
Xoot, thanks for mentioning the KTVU webcast . . . I was thinking that I wouldn’t be able to see it (accept as a small ESPN clip). Much appreciated 🙂
You know I realize they are trying to build up the parade, but enough of the marching bands and all the other BS, show the players!! That should be 90% of the parade!!
Has anyone (announcers at parade, Chronicle, San Jose Mercury, etc.?) estimated the size of the crowd? How it compares to the 49ers first Superbowl win?
It can be said that “everybody knew” about Dirty but it would simply not be true. Fact is, he was dissed even when he was winning, improving, and shining. If he gave up 4-it was a *worse* 4 than Tim’s 4 or Matt’s 4.. and it’s ALL ethnic, just as it was with Felix. Worrell and Nen lost the World Series far more than Felix did… I talked to Craig a bit about Edgar yeterday: his rep was LAZY, nonchalant, doesn’t give a shit, as Snarkk said: delighted to steal their money… it really hasn’t changed all that much since the first Latins… The bubbly light skinned fuck Fruckie is smart, Edgar is, uh, dim….
Now he’ll get ome of the respect he deserved all along but the faces here will be as they are most places: the scrubbed, young, white ones… frankly, Buster is extremely annoying. The kid should just shut up and defer to the men who spent years striving for this. Ross as well.
End of rant…
Just read Scott Ostler’s article from the chron yesterday, he said that because of the language barrier Rent doesn’t like doing interviews, especially with large groups of reporters. I mean there are some Sports figures who speak fluent english and they should never ever speak into a microphone!!
Buster is funny. He sometimes seems like he’s auditioning for a John Wayne role. I want to find out where Uribe is partying tonight. He is the bell of SF they say.
You know Karma, destiny, whatever, how cool is it that it is a bright clear day in SF!! It is November it could be raining!
Nice to see Bochy holding the Trophy!
One person in the organization hasn’t been mentioned (unless I missed it), Dick Tedrow. He has been Sabean’s “right hand man” directing the scouting department.
Before Posey, the Giants hadn’t drafted and developed a position player of note in 20 years. Counting him and Lincecum, Bumgarner, Matt Cain (first round in 2002) and Jonathan Sanchez (a 27th-round gem of a find in 2004 by scout Sean O’Connor), plus relievers Brian Wilson and Sergio Romo, the Giants’ homegrown talent is among the major leagues’ best.
What the fuck is Sandoval?
Whoops, forgot him.
Unbelievable shots from above . . . Dude said the crowd was 20-30 deep and was comparable to Chinese New Year (million plus?). Not certain, but I thought SF only had 750-800k population. WOW!
Wilson jumping off the cable car to pump up the crowd – Awesome.
GODDAMN!!! Well, I’m back at work. Blade, yeah SF’s population isn’t that large but people were coming in from BART by the…well… trainload.
I couldn’t see much, you guys probably saw more from the film but when they rode by the yell of the crowd was absolutely electrifying. Literally, the hairs on my neck stood up. And AMN there were some honeys out there looking great in orange and black (speaking of politics, it looks like the SF Board of Supervisors is finally going to get a honey in District 6, Jane Kim. Wowsa).
Ted you were suppose to be looking at the parade and the Giants players!! Put your eye balls back in your head and wipe the drool from the corner of your mouth!!!
Hackman sighting
Great pics of the World Series on http://www.allposters.com
Civic Center is jammed.
The Bat and the Huffster each with a Bud Light raised high as they salute the fans: Priceless.
Huff with a beer and waving the thong. Torres out and walking ahead of his car, Wilson again going to the security fence (almost knocking it down) pumping the crowd – this is some fun ass shit.
Murph, you just gotta love that guy. That is one person I would love to have many beer with and just hear all of the stories.
I don’t know who they are interviewing on channel 2 but they are talking about some of the big bats that didn’t want to come here cause of Right field and the yard in general. They are saying if some of those guys are watching how many are wishing they had signed with SF now!!
Funny stuff
http://trickumlegis.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/sf-giants-world-series-2010-drinking-game/
San Francisco Giants fans everywhere can extend an index finger high in the air and know for the first time it’s not just an opinion. THE GIANTS ARE #1 . . . FACT.
Pope Jon I just blessed the crowd. Classic.
They shoulda played the Ashkon version . . .
This is so fucking cool
Whitehead sporting the dead shirt . . .
NO Whitey sportin a Dead Tee
I just shed a tear when they introduced NO Whitey. Something tells me my therapist is gonna hear about that.
Gonna end up with about 60 hours fo stuff on DVR after all this is done.
Ford’s score seemed like years ago . . .
Sorry Zum, I still think BBB is a jinx. Trotting them out after a win, I don’t mind so much.
The governator gets an earful . . .
BLEEP!
Dirty Al Gallagher!
Loving watching this at MLB. com live!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah goodbye TORTURE!
This is so wonderful. Period.
The Rally thong yeah baby
Gee whiz, talk about Glee! What a sun-beamed, blissful, benediction of a Grateful LIVE event! (Sure, sure, more TOJ.**)
** tears of joy
That was beautiful. Heartfelt and pure class.
PCs for Craig and Blade are on the road. Chuck’s package as well. Dog, I’ll send your certificate tomorrow..
What a day… you know, “The Troll” actually ragged on me for imagining the fellas as they rose to greet their big day. Unbelievable…
Today IS a day for men like me-and all of you- those who know that baseball is not just a game and not just an event or a show or a way to spend 3 hours. It’s for those who embrace the spirit and not the body.
The man’s an idiot. Probably refers to FIELD OF DREAMS as a ghost story
That’s funny. Hope you don’t mind Ted, I plan on using that one.
Not at all, Bozo
A couple comments on paid for space in todays Sporting Green. I rarely give the Oakland A’s a 2nd thought. But they bought a full page ad today congratulating the Giants. A nice gesture. And Comast had a funny one. It starts:
To the Giants fans who said they would give up their right arm…their first born…or who knows what else…
TIME TO PAY UP
A guy named “the Bronx” on the Splash says he’s waited since ’44… good poster, check him out.. great line from Miller: “Welcome to Torres’ wife’s birthday party”….
That was a great line from Miller (and very cool of Andres to do it). I kept thinking if that’s how he throws a birthday party, I would have loved to be at the wedding.
R.I.P…..Clyde King
Almost pulled it off in ’69.
took the boys to the parade. what a blast. i called and told the school that they couldn’t come today as they had a fever. i wasn’t more specific. what a ride, what a treat.
Many WS championships just seem like so much sprayed and guzzled fine champagne, almost perfunctory. Not this one. No city has ever or will ever deserve this more.
I doubt that some things have changed: I have a suspician that this child fever outbreak was anticipated by the authorities at school 😉
My 1960 Games 1 and 7 illnesses were not attended to with great vigor by the nurses… they seemed confident that the excruciating and deadly pain would subside. Dr. House was not consulted…
I didn’t catch all of the parade unfortunately, I saw maybe half of it on the Internet. It seemed to me that krukow, posey and huff gave the best speeches. Did I miss any other good ones?
I missed it but a friend said Wilson’s was entertaining
The Giants Way
Step 1: Win the World Series.
Step 2: Wash thong
Step 3: Turn on the GPS and try to find Vern and Vera.
rinse and repeat. i think buster might be on to something.