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Weird First Day of the Winter Meetings

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 6, 2011

Lots of tweets. Not a lot of action. Most of these rumors have me shaking my head sideways. I feel like the Giants are in the cat bird’s seat if they do NOTHING at all. This is like watching the start of the Running of the Bulls in Spain. I’m watching safely from above from some hotel roof. Down below are scenes like this one:

For those of you unclear on the metaphor, you see the bull is the free agent and the two dudes….oh never mind.

There is some major insanity about to go down in the free agent world. Albert Pujols will be 32 next month. And he’s got a 10(!) (t-e-n) year deal on the table from the clueless Marlins……CJ Wilson has a SIX year offer from what could be multiple teams–mark my works, CJ Wilson will be the *Barry Zito* of this free agent class. Book it. Mark Freaking Beuhrle has 14 teams interested in him. I would be BUMMED if Sabean signed Beurhle to even a 2 year deal. Beurhle sucks, he’s an innings eater at best but could probably  fill our #5 slot adequately…..J-Roll’s agent got pissed off and shut down a meeting when the Phillies continued to balk at his 5 year mandate for a contract……

Meanwhile, Ned Coletti has cornered the market on below average utility infielders. Seriously, what type of team is he trying to field next year? Is he planning on Kemp wheelin’ it big in the outer outfield, Ethier play rover and 5  underwhelming infielders scurrying around covering the rest of the defense? That dude has lost his mind………..

Sabean simply can’t do anything that would come close to the madness I’ve listed above. At worst he signs some sh!tty utility guy for a year (that is, assuming one gets past Ned). Personally, I’m going to have fun sitting back and watching the insanity unfold. I take great pleasure in watching other teams make dumb ass mistakes. Whether it’s the Nationals signing Werth to a 7 year deal or the Angels trading FOR Vernon Wells, other teams idiocy can only directly or indirectly help the Giants…..

Retro Action. Baby.

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It’s Sunday, June 17th 1979 and the Cardinals are in town. Bad Ass names abound in their starting line up. Yet we still beat them 7-4. Clark ripped his 11th on the year and McCovey went 3-4 running his average to an impressive .291 (he would end the year at .249). This win nudged us to 4.5 games out of first place, the last time we would be this close the rest of the season. The wheels fall off pretty good in 1979…….

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  1. snarkk said, on December 6, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    I’m not surprised one whit Torres is gone, I said so before. He would have been non-tendered, and would have been hard pressed to get back on the club in ST in a sub role. Giants clearly were through with him at end of last season. As one of the sites said, this was essentially Rodriguez for Pagan, with Torres as a throw in. Meh. At first blush, I don’t see Pagan adding a helluva lot, he’s got some better offensive stats than Torres over a longer term, a better base stealer, and younger, but clearly a downgrade on the defense. But, hey, they need some offensive upgrade, and this is in that direction. The triumvirate of Cabrera, Pagan and Nate doesn’t make me jump for joy for OF offense — if I’m a Giants pitcher. Looks like the Beltran lottery just officially passed the Giants management without them buying a ticket…

  2. willieD said, on December 6, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Andres does get a chance to play, albeit for a team that is bound to be awful, which he probably was not going to get to do here except as late inning D replacement. That is his real strength, and almost everyone you pick up was not going to be his equal in the field. That wasn’t the reason he was traded, it was his offense.
    Ramirez is expendable given the RHPs in set up. LH hit 50 points higher off him than RHs…he is really just a righty version of a loogy. And unfortunately, when SF was having issues in August, he lost 2 games and had awful splits, with a 6.00 something ERA and the league hit over .300 against him. He was the bait to get another OF that hopefully will pick up the OB (3 out of last 4 years at least .340) and has SB ability once he gets on. Pagan is in contract year, so hopefully he rebounds to more like 2010 numbers, which were superior to Reyes in a lot of categories.

  3. snarkk said, on December 6, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Unless Pagan plays lights out, he’s a one year guy, and that’s one reason Sabes got him. By getting Pagan, they’ve basically just told Gary Brown he has next season to get his S together and be ready in 2013. Plus, with this move I don’t see any way that Cody Ross comes back…

  4. snarkk said, on December 6, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Following excerpt from espn.com. I’m really jazzed now…
    http://tinyurl.com/7z6gfsm

    “Pagan’s low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials.

    The organization originally leaned toward non-tendering him at the Dec. 12 deadline if they could not trade him beforehand. But the center-fielder market was not deep and was costly and more recently Collins had been resigned to Pagan returning and leading off while manning center field.

    Pagan made $3.5 million in 2011 and was arbitration eligible. He had never embraced leading off…

    A switch-hitter with speed, Pagan hit .262 with seven homers and 56 RBIs this year, down from .290 with 11 homers and 69 RBIs in 2010.”

  5. twinfan1 said, on December 7, 2011 at 9:06 am

    A throw in doesn’t figure to start for his new team, Snarkkles- Ramirez was picked up for AA minor league piicher, HE would would have been the throw in. The Giants’ plans for Torres was to trade him and if they couldn’t get enough, make him an offer pre-arb, which he undoubtedly would have take taken. And try a little honesty for a change, dude- you said he’d be released.

    • snarkk said, on December 7, 2011 at 12:59 pm

      You said he’d be back. I was right, you were wrong, again….


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