Phailing in Philly
Glad I didn’t have to watch any of that. I don’t understand why Philly’s record is so bad, every time I pay attention to them they play great. Some tweets floating around that Smith’s stuff looked very good, despite the results. Thoughts?
Definitely some positives to take from the comeback, the bombs, the 2 SB’s from Span…..
Big start for Cueto. He’s been bad since the 2nd half re-start.
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What a roller-coaster/clusterfuck of a game! I saw just the first inning (2-0) and dashed off to work-out. When I got back into my truck, it was 6-1. Then Craw and Belt brought us back, and with that late-inning lead, I thought a win was in the mix. Enter Strickland. I have been a proponent, and still am, but fuck, we MUST be able to shut-down a game like that.
I gave-up and went to do other things once Philly took the lead. Fucking frustrating!
Deep breath. Big picture. Everything’s gonna be alright….
Yeah, missed the game as well, except for glances while eating dinner. Saw Pagan go deep to take the lead, then next time i looked up we were down 10-8 after Romo gave up a lame-ass single. Missed Smith.
The talk of the problems stemming from starting Bummie after the break is curious. They weren’t supposed to lead with their ace? I even get bumping Cueto a day as he pitched in the ASG. Not sure what they were supposed to do. Lead off with the bottom of the rotation?
I am not buying any of that, Charlie. Nonsense, IMO. Those types of changes would NOT translate into anything significantly different here. This team needs to get back to playing airtight fundamental ball, pitching well, and getting some breaks. They are often hitting the ball hard…just right at an opponent.
The answer to your last question Chuck is YES! They had a 7 or 8 game lead going in to play pitiful SanDiego. It was an opportunity to give our overworked (by today’s standards) big 2 a little extra time…
Not that she isn’t hot, and maybe I am grasping at straws (4-12 since the break makes you do some crazy shit), but maybe we need an update of the BBOTD.
I am willing to try anything at this point. Voodoo, Black Magic, bust out my mojo, etc. Yes, even a BBOTD update…
Sigh…
Strickland is what he is. If he can’t figure out how to keep the ball in the park at this point, fuck him. He’s really skating on thin ice at this point. How much longer can Bochy run him out there?
Tonite is rematch of Sunday game in SF late June. Giants slapped around Nola for 10 hits 5 runs and knocked him out in 4th. Giants won late 8-7, phightins played tough and then went to AZ and swept them 3 straight.
Cueto couldn’t hold 5-1 lead and left having given up 8 hits 2 walks 6 runs. Herrera lit him up for double and HR.
Wasn’t this the game tho where he got mad at the ump over non calls?
According to Pythagoras on B/R (where they have given up 99 more runs than they have scored), Phils should be 43-65, 6 games worse than their real record 49-59. Time to get that back closer to where it belongs.
Props to Sherps tho for keeping LA in second place and for gaining on them (!). Gotta wonder what would happen if that team swapped venues with Pads and played all year at sea level.
49 HRs hit last night overall in mlb. Noticed that Cishek got replaced as closer by M’s, and Street sent to the DL hopefully keeping him far away from Giants uni.
New Cards closer Oh gave up 3 run walk off bomb in Cincy to some guy I never heard of, Scott Schebler hitting .217.
Mac called out Abad giving up the late bomb to Cano for M’s W. Stuff happens to other pens too, just like to see Giants shut the phils down.
He replaced Bruce in the order
Line up not order
I should check in on Cards blog. Those guys did nothing at deadline, right? Even after Giants slide they are still 5 games better than Cards who are 9 back of Cubs and in dogfight for the WC. These guys won 100 games last year. If they were to miss playoffs entirely, I imagine heads would roll.
You should leave a comment. It would probably be the first one he’s ever had.
Funny, WJ. The poor guy works so hard like BF and gets no feedback…
No joke. Have you seen how long some of his threads are? He puts up a thesis every morning and gets zero comments. He needs to hire Flav as his marketing director.
i think he gets a lot of traffic, he’s connected to a whole bunch of Cardinal blogs. But they just don’t seem to be blogs people comment on.
Heat, humidity and launching-pad East. Philthys have an offense centered on the long-ball, though Giants are in for the long-haul.
And the Philthies have the ballpark conducive to playing long-ball. Fucking bandboxes. To use the words from Al Davis, “Just Win Baby.” (No, I am not a Rayduh fan.)
I stand by my theory of Bumgarner’s incredibly ill-advised post ASG start throwing the team out of whack. I know it is not logical and couldn’t possibly have anything to do with all the other factors that have contributed to this tailspin. I just know that it did. If you don’t believe me ask the Baseball Gods…
Blade: Great job on your hotel reviews at the end of the last thread…
Loo – I appreciate your knowledge as much (if not more) than anyone here, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I just don’t see that as having as huge an impact as you believe. It is all good, brother, and you are probably right. And the Baseball Gods? I have tried calling them numerous times…their line is constantly busy! 😉
They’re probably on the phone with Stub-Hub, Chi…
LMAO…
Didn’t they also push Bum up to pitch the last game before the break? All I know is, if the Giants quit allowing players to participate in the AS game, it wouldn’t bother me a bit.
Did Dusty giving the ball to Ortiz cost them Game 6 in 2002?
Of course it didn’t.
Except we know it did…
My reaction at that time was “WTF is he doing?!” I knew that was a very bad omen…
Totally fucking agree…he should have faced one more hitter…
I agree with Loo…they should have sat Bum until Boston so we could have seen him!!! But would have messed up Chi’s once in a lifetime story…
It was just a fucked up night all together. It looked like the Phils must have been using a DH and we used Bum, who by the way, was over matched at the plate. Although it was ripped, I thought Pence should have had that Hernandez hit off of Smith. Romo looks like Frisbee golf might be in his near future. A fan gets tossed by the Ump for saying the Giants sucked, in Philly, but to top it off, he was right.
Yup, it had all the makings of an interleague game in an AL park.
Everyone play and hit repeat until first pitch…of course just play reggae for the remainder of the day and that will work as well…
If you score 8, u need to win that game. Bum sucked, and this Pen is wildly inconsistent game to game, which is a real problem and has to improve if this squad is to go to playoffs…
on this date in ’89, the Reds scored 14 runs on 16 hits. In the first inning. Would love to get a look at that box score.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN198908030.shtml
If I had been a player in the Angels dugout and I watching fucking Dusty hand the game ball over to the departing pitcher I would have gotten pissed to shit and would have turned it into a rally cry for the team. In fact, Dusty is probably to blame for that world series loss for that stupid stunt plus choosing Hernandez to start Game 7.
But whatever it all worked out in the end. The 2010 teams was about a billion times more likable than the 2002 team. It’s just as well that 2010 was our *first*.
And who could have predicted that having a 3-year old in the dugout during the World Series would cause a problem?
Well, not to be picky and maudlin, but a bunch of Giants fans that died in the interim probably didnt enjoy the wait til 2010. To me, the most egregious error was starting Livan in game 7. The entire team wanted Woody to start, as did the fan base. Bochy would never have started Livan in that situation. Total fail on Dusty, have no idea of Sabes role in that choice…
With the way BB and J Kent got along I was surprised they even got to the WS. That was not a happy club house.
Oh, man. I still remember watching that and being like hmmm, not the best choice here Dusty but okay maybe it works ou…wait wot the fuck was that?! What are you doing. Noooooooooooooo.
Sinc e the game was a disaster, what did you guys think of the ump ejecting a fan from the game!
When I returned from the movie I saw, that was the clip I was interested in and viewed . . . The ump must have unbelievable hearing to have pointed the guy out who was riding him with foul language.
Too bad he doesn’t have super vision too. lulz
From what I read the fan was ripping on the Giants pretty hard and apparently took it from “you suck”, to another level.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Umpire-stops-game-to-eject-Phillies-fan-Bob-Davidson.html
That’s some crazy shit. But if he was indeed using a gay slur , that’s certianly crossing the line and grounds for removal. Good on Balking Bob for giving the guy the heave ho.
If you recall my Philly story…this could be the same guy (figuratively of course)…
The Bums will push Maeda back by a day and plug some guy called Brock Stewart in as the starter tonight against the Sherpas. Stewart has been dominant at Triple-A this season with a 2.95 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, and 49:5 K:BB over 42.2 innings of work at Oklahoma City. Probably a rude awakening coming up in Kathmandu tonight.
I’ve read that no one in the Angels dugout had any idea of Dusty giving the ball to Russ till after the game had ended.
Heading out to Philly tonight and then back at it tomorrow, I’ll try and bring some good Flap vibes. Also looking forward to seeing Cueto pitch, although maybe not as much as a month or so ago. But MadBum has set the bar pretty low for the starters in this series, so maybe Johnny C can shimmy and shake this team out of its doldrums.
WTG Mac. Bring home some winners.
Bring it home big boy…winner winner chicken dinner!
A little bit of drama is brewing in Tampa. Just read this DFS excerpt:
UPDATE: Brad Miller was blindsided by the news that he will no longer be the everyday shortstop once the newly-acquired Matt Duffy (Achilles) is healthy, Roger Mooney of the Tampa Bay Times reports. “Extremely disappointed,” Miller said. “Obviously, I’m a shortstop. I’ve been working hard and doing everything they ask and playing well there, and (Monday) was kind of a punch to the gut, them telling me he’s our shortstop now.”
ANALYSIS: Miller, who came over from the Mariners in the offseason, got off to a slow start in 2016 before considerably picking it up at the plate since mid-May. His 16 homers are a franchise record for shortstops, but his .959 fielding percentage currently ranks last in the majors at the position. Miller will reportedly move to first base, but could also see time in the outfield. Manager Kevin Cash was reportedly blunt with the 26-year-old when informing of the move, essentially telling him that the team had a better chance to win with Duffy at shortstop. However, the Rays’ boss also emphasized that Miller’s presence in the lineup is both valued and necessary. “We want Brad Miller in there every day,” Cash said. “He provides a huge offensive spark for us, and we’re not going to take away from that.”
Hey Blade, you may want to take a stab on starting Astros rookie RH Joe Musgrove against Texas on Sunday. He made his ML debut out of the bullpen last night (McCullers was removed early due to injury) and looked filthy against those Blue Jays sluggers. He struck out 8 in 4 1/3 and only gave up one hit and one walk. Seeing how Bundy did against Texas last night, I expect a similar performance from Musgrove but with even greater K potential.
Figured I would give you a tip since you helped me win money last week with the Dahl suggestion.
Thank you much and you and Flav may want to look at ANDREW BENINTENDI, the Amazing Wop of Boston. lulz . . . Seriously, he’s supposed to be the BoSox new phenom and he has a platoon advantage tonight against Iwakuma of Seattle this evening. Sort of dirt cheap on DK. Idiots at FD don’t have him rostered yet.
Thanks, will check him out!
didn’t NYS issue some ruling today on your GAMBLING sites pretending not to be gambling??
great name, Benintendi . . . “the best intentions….blah blah”
Also, Bundy was MONEY last night for me. I had him paired with deGrom last night in DK.
Another guy that has been money for me the last couple of games, been Max Kepler. He’s on fire right now.
Doesn’t Duffy have to actually play some short to prove he has it???
He was outstanding in the minors at short.
Love the POTD. Now I gotta check my MS. to make sure I spelled Spaldeen right.
Macdog: bring luck. Lots. The good kind.
1. Denard Span (L) CF
2. Angel Pagan (S) LF
3. Hunter Pence (R) RF
4. Buster Posey (R) C
5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
6. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
7. Joe Panik (L) 2B
8. Conor Gillaspie (L) 3B
9. Johnny Cueto (R) P
Hmmmm. No Nunie. I see….
Nipper and I always agreed that predictions are silly.
So I predict Span leads off the game with a homer…
Off season thought:
What if we could get Panda back and have the Bosox pay most of his salary?
For what?
No. What’s on second. We’ll need a 3rd baseman.
I consider Nunie a utility guy…
Yes, don’t get rid of What. We’ll need him.
I’m down with that if they also throw in a lifetime membership to Weight Watchers. Regarding sfsarge’s question – we give them a bag of balls and one of our ball dudes. Wait! Throw in Amy G. too.
Apparently Sabean personally scouted Arroyo in Richmond before they pulled the trigger on the Moore deal so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Arroyo breaking camp with the club.
It’s funny to me that Sabean is now traveling and scouting as part of his executive responsibilities. Pinning for the old days I guess..
I meant why would they want to bring him back? It seems to me he burned his bridge to come back the way he spouted all of that nonsense after he left.
My first response was are you shitting me…now I’m thinking there may be some positive karma…now I would be shocked shocked to see mgmt do it. I am predicting Panda Man will be a Padre Man next year…
A motivated, conciliatory Panda (if there is such a thing) could be very appealing…
Nice phuck up…
These east coast games weeknight games don’t seem to work well for you guys out west.
I guess you have jobs and stuff…
I think the thimble in Monopoly has better base running instincts than Span…
An actual lead and clean bottom half of the inning…someone once me…
pinch me…that is…mother sucking spell correct…
Flav, did I miss your golf report on how you played? Any word from Cards blogger about our define deals?
Blade, was listening to the Bill Simmons network podcast The Watch and was laughing hysterically as they ripped the Bourne movie…I was totally going to take Jackson and my boys. Now Jackson will have to wait for Sausage Party…
Deadline deals…mothersucking spell correct…
The movie was just a rehash of the 2nd movie, i.e., I have seen this shit before. Same deal with the Star Wars movie made last year. It was boring.
This park definitely ain’t ATT…balls have been flying out..
that just might be the longest sac fly that i can remember.
Someone will give Pagan one year/$5 million off this season.
He’s been good…
Also, his willingness to play a corner OF position should help him as a FA.
Yeah, and he’s definitely shook the bad rep he brought to SF.
Running well and occasional power has returned since that 600 something AB homerless streak…
I could live with that for one year. Sign Reddick to maybe 5 years $75 mill if that is in the ballpark and Pagan as main backup and with you on Nunie being super utility with Specs. I could see Nunie being the starter at 3rd and Panda backing up and then when Nunie plays some short and second, Panda gets some starts.
Arroyo, as I speculated when we made the Duffy deal, is likely the future for us on the near term. I see him playing one year at AAA Sactown and hopefully starting for us in 2018, which conveniently will be Nunie’s free agent year…
Loo, don’t think I didn’t notice the “thimble” comment. Still laughing. Regarding Pagan, I think he easily scores a $13 to 15 million 2 year contract with someone. Sheesh, Parra scored a 3 year $27.5 million contract with the Sherpas and they are tight fisted. Fans hate him – he is a lug nut, especially on the base paths. Zero baseball sense.
I just want to chime in on Flavor’s 10:52 post. I read the last part with some incredulity. The 2002 team wasn’t likable? No offense, Flav, but who gives a fuck? I loved that team. They were edgy, contentious and supremely talented. Offensively they were arguably the best lineup in S.F. Giants history, they played great D, had clutch pitching and were fun to watch.
I was seriously busted up when they let that Series slip away. All those years of heartache and coming up short looked to be over. Then the collapse, which I don’t blame so much on Baker’s stunt as the bullpen just not getting it done. Nen was probably throwing with a toasted arm and was done soon after that, basically sacrificing his health trying to the get the Giants the title. The up and down Felix picked a bad time to be down.
Was Dusty’s stunt a factor? Maybe. Does Reuter win the game ?. Maybe. He did have a knack for coming up big in big games. But I think when you lose a game 6 in the manner the Giants did, you’re already done. It was horrible and no one can tell me that it didn’t affect the players. I think that’s what killed them, that and some career meatball named Scott Spiezio. What a piece of shit. A popup that somehow got out.
So much of baseball lies between the ears and the G’s had the rug ripped out from underneath them in game 6. They never recovered.
Likable was nowhere on the list of things I cared about that season. It’s easily the most disappointment I’ve ever felt in my life as an obsessed, die-hard Giants fan. 2010 absolutely eased the pain of all the years of not getting there and has made other disappointments easier to deal with, but it did nothing to diminish the 2002 team.
Magnificent post, LJ!!!
Why, thank you. From the heart, loo.
I could never write anything that good…
Whattaya mean, dude, you do every day. You’re hilarious.
Exactly LJ and well put. I pretty much didn’t even want to watch the 7th game.
Me neither. I was depressed.
I am in agreement…once they lost Gane 6..they were done.
Same thing with the 2010 playoffs when they lose Game 3 in 16 innings at the NY Mets and THEN Dusty has someone named Livan Hernandez pitching Game 4. Series was over by just him getting that start…
I loved JT Snow! … Amongst others, but JT was an incredible 1st baseman … What a glove!
Yup, Lisle, one of my faves also and he turned himself into a pretty damn good hitter too. Great Giant.
If you throw out the fact that they lost the World Series, that 2002 team was far superior to any of our recent WS winning clubs. Not even close, IMHO. The difference: Bochy > Dusty.
Wow, I think the pitching staffs of 2010 and 2012 were far superior to 2002, WJ…
I don’t know Loo. I would agree they were better but that 2002 staff was gritty as hell. There is no comparison offensively, 2002 wins hands down. But the coaching staff on the last three teams, specifically Boch is the difference maker. You just can’t quantify how much better Bochy was/is in terms of strategy
Great post LJ!
WOW!
Hey Dirt, where did you read about Sabean scouting Arroyo? That’s really interesting.
The way Panik is and has been hitting, I’m wondering if the Giants thought about dealing him over Duffy. Arroyo, if he ends up being the guy, could play second as well as third.
I think the Achilles issue was what had them concerned…
Think so? I knew he was hurt but didn’t think it was anything chronic.
I simply don’t fucking get WHY Cueto was still in there…what the fuck Boch???
Bochy’s not having his best year…
No, he’s not. Seems to be just a little off. It’s weird to think of a manager having an off year.
Absolutely, wondering that myself.
Fuck
*$&%^# . . . Giants are so frustrating right now.
Nooooo.
Well, Smith was good there. Losing this game would suck. Cueto was cruising.
Why can’t our guys “backspin” one out of that little shitbox?
I ask myself that question a lot. Not just In this park but others too … Especially when others seem to do it with relative ease and frequency. I’m not just talking about the Arenados et al.
We likely won’t have a 20 homer guy.
When did that last happen?
I had to look it up. Mudbug, last year.
I meant the last time the team did not have a 20 homer guy…
We know that except for Law, the Bullpen sucked shit last night. But why the hell did Bochy continue running Cueto out there after he gave up the two single-shots in the 7th. Then he kept him in with the two baserunners in the 8th and then to face Franco, their best hitter. WTF? Is Bighead a bit addled from the heat and humiliated relatives in Phithy?
Just got home from a 220 mile round trip and hadn’t tuned into the Flap before and lo and behold, after posting, here i’m on the same page with the same take as several other posters.
Disagree about Franco Carstie, Herrera is their best hitter easily, e.g., WAR is more than twice as good as Franco (2.4 to 1.0).
Well that sucks. I’m sure you’ve all mentioned it but WTF? Cute is at 115+ and Boxky lets him keep going? 2 bombs in the 7th wasn’t enough?
Does he hate his own pen that much? If so game over.
That’s what I was thinking … he doesn’t trust the pen.
Disappointed in Panik and Crawford. Ofers for both of them. I thought they would produce tonight having the platoon advantage (going against a righty). Pfffttt. Belt not much better. Should have faded all 3 in one of the DFS tourneys I am in.
Got off Bart it was 4-0. Get home 4-2. Jesus. If we make it thru the9th I’ll be surprised
The only good news about this shit sandwich is that the Sherpas are winning against the Bums, 5-2 in the 4th. Not an ironclad lead by any means.
Lopez refuses to take the free out.
This is why Lopez is finished…may be better off having Osich replace him now…loved ya Javier but the fat senorita has sung….
At this rate blade colon will blow by us in 10’days.
Are you typing with your earlobes again?
My eyelids.mfucking aurocorrect
Colorado??? Or their colon?
Both!
The revenge of Tommy Joseph.
Gameplay is saying Romo pitched the 9th .. Single, bb, fly out? Is that right?
Game day .. Fucking auto correct!
No I think Romo just faced one batter…base hit. Frickin Romo
Why is Casilla checking 2nd base?
Excellent curve.
I am stunned we got out of that inning…good job Casilla. Can he go another inning???
Great job by Casilla.
The machines are laughing at me.
Chuck, autocorrect is your personal nemesis.
OK, get this fucker now.
No worries, right? The Rash is on the bench.
lol
Now Bochy throws the pen at philly.
Gameday fnally updated .. got it.
Rockies destroying the Bums now, 8-2 in the 5th. OK, that is looking more ironclad. By the by, I said about a month or so ago, beware of the Rockies. So yeah Chuck, it’s quite possible that they will be right there with the Bums.
A win last night and pulling one of tonight would have been a nice 2 game swing…let’s go
Yeah you were right. Colo is rolling after the break. Wwhen was the last time we got a hit? The 3rd?
4th
So, by trading Duffy did the Giants give up Defense, and why the hell isn’t Nunez playing full time at 3rd?? I hope Bochy is not going to platoon at 3rd!! To me that is too important a position to platoon. You can get away with it with outfielders.
Wow. Nice pitch.
Casilla had his good stuff tonight.
I broke down and tuned in the televised … Casillia looks more relaxed his face aint as all contorted.
Did you see Casilla pause in the middle of his delivery on the last pitch to Franco? Cueto’s been talking to him. Casilla has the shimmy going.
Great observation LJ .. I missed it tho.
Law has a quick pitch going now as well that I hadnt noticed before.
Fucking rocket from Pence.
How do i dejinx the DP that is coming?
Glad to see Panik finally catching some crap on here. Lucky for him, he doesn’t have gray hair and a weird batting stance, or he would really hear about it from the natives.
Fun Fact: Joe Musgrove also went to my son’s high school. That place is a fricking pitcher factory with Musgrove, Brault (Pirate rooke), AJ Griffin all coming out of there in recent years. Zito also started his high school career there and Kevin Correa went there too.
In LA now hanging with my son (not MapDawg) with no access to the game. Sounds like things are going well.
I agree that post about 2002 was epic. I was at Game 7 and i felt like dead man walking going into that stadium knowing we were gonna lose after the way Game 6 went down.
Loo: i can’t believe you didn’t share your Reggie Sanders take on the Spiezio homer earlier. Or am I getting that mixed up with something else? I think I was half in the bag when you were telling me that.
Yes, Dawg we did discuss the Spiezio HR when you were here. Mr. SportsDude (I believe) agreed with me that Sanders might have had a shot at making a catch for the ages had he not jumped directly into the wall instead of over it…
Panik just ain’t getting it done. He deserves the flack.
That sort of worked.
This is beyond stupid…
Oh come on.
Time to drink heavily lads.