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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 6, 2017

I want everyone here to be honest: if we get Stanton admit you will be ecstatic. Regardless of the hit to the farm system or the fractured future payroll, after watching Belt walk and Posey go the other way nearly every at bat last year, there has to be a little piece of you that would be totally stoked if we got Big Dick Stanton.

Admit it.

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  1. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:57 am

    Big, big mistake. Stanton alone doesn’t even move the needle. Especially when you consider that Panik – one of the few bright spots last season – is part of the “rape trade” where we don’t get Gordon, but we get to eat most of Stanton’s contract. Ludicrous!

    The only way this even might work, is if we get the “Japanese Babe Ruth” and add other necessary pieces to this POS roster. Fat chance. Nothing in the Giants history indicates that they’re willing to pay a 50% premium luxury tax on every dollar above $197 million . . . Stanton alone puts us at $215 million. Do the math.

    Better yet, read this – it just about captures all of my feelings and misgivings about why this is one of the biggest risks the organization is ever going to take. Again, the ONLY way this even has a minutiae chance of succeeding – is if they go ALL in on other players (which means a hell of a lot of luck, insofar as Ohtani even wanting to don a Giants uniform and MONEY to score the other players we’ll need).

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/this-week-could-change-the-giants-fortune/

  2. djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:00 am

    Blade does not sound stoked…

  3. snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:26 am

    Stanton will be a Zito redux– not a baseball move, a Baer PR move. Grab a real CF, keep Shaw and put a new chimp in charge of the draft dartboard…

  4. willedav said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:38 am

    well I’d agree with the F/G guy that Stanton and Ohtani change things right away, especially if SPs rebound and cut runs allowed down significantly. And yes, Stanton is one of few guys around today I’d pay to watch hit.

    I think it’s obvious Giants OF, those signed and recent farm system products, are underwhelming and less than even ml average. Other than trading off pieces someone might want, no other way to go about it outside of paying FAs like L Cain and/or T Frazier. Sucking this year and saving $$$ in hopes of landing Harper or Machado makes less sense to me than getting a legit power hitter now and filling in around him.

  5. Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:56 am

    I know what Blade and Snarkk (and others) have said in the past. I just think that if it becomes a reality there will be part of them that is super stoked. We’ll see. Much like needing to see Billy Ham play every day with their own eyes, the true excitement for all Giants fans won’t come for Stanton until they see him in a uni. 🙂

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:12 am

      Bonds was the end all power hitter, and the giants didn’t win a WS with him. Stanton will join a team with less offensive support than Bonds had in 2002. And a Pen of Swiss cheese compared to the core four that were key to the 2010 breakthrough that had no big power guy, just a bunch of timely hitting pros and a lock down start staff. Stanton provides ooh ah, until he gets walked or pulls 3 muscles in an icy June night game at ATT…

  6. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Well, if it turns into last year where they do little besides that one big move and sit on their hands, then we are fucked. Sure, it’ll be cool to see him. Until he breaks Barry Bonds’ 500 bb record.

    We may win some games 17-14, but we’ll lose without help in a lot of other places.

  7. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:04 am

    I think Ohtani is the bigger PR move, BTW. I think he’d be more bang for the PR dollar anyway. Get ’em both and I’ll be excited. Till Oshit comes in and gives up a walk, a double and a home run.

  8. zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:37 am

    I’m in on Stanton.
    Ohtani, I’m not sure. I think he may flop as a hitter, and then what? He expects 300+ ABs.
    I fully get the reasons against trading for Stanton. It just doesn’t bother me as much. With the 3 championships this decade already in hand, I don’t care if they do some crazy stuff now. Give me a more entertaining season than ’17 and I’ll be fine with it.

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:40 am

      With Stanton, they do still need to add a cf.
      The Trump tax cuts would easily pay for that. Find a positive use for those tax cuts before they eventually bring recession to the nation.

      • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:44 am

        I have a feeling they want to give 3b to Sandoval anyway.
        Make leftfield a gnarly Pence/Span platoon.
        Hope the surgery guys in the bullpen bounce back.
        Hey, sign that Morrow guy!
        I’m starting to make myself believe all this!

      • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:48 am

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:54 am

    I’m bullish on 2018. They’ll need a plus defender in CF. Just can’t live with Sleepy Span’s clown show out there. I think the club, as currently constructed, can compete with the addition of Stanton. He moves Pence out of RF and Posey out of the clean up spot. Smith returns and the bullpen is better. I’m still tore up over my boy Cain’s suckage but Stratton will be better every 5th day and Bumgarner for the whole year will improve the starting pitching. Ultimately I think this group has 2 maybe 3 years left in their window to compete so spend the money. Get another ring. Bring on Stanton and there will be jizz.

  10. unca_chuck said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:35 am

    The pen needs major help. And, apropos of nothing.Well, it is the holidays . . .

    I love how Isaiah just ducks out of the way.

    • Lurker John said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:51 pm

      Laimbeer deserved to get beaned with a basketball every time he stepped on the floor. What a colossal prick.

  11. alleykat69 said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:29 am

    If we have any chance to compete with the fuckin Dogpile we have to get Stanton and yeah Ohtani would be extra topping on the cake.Fuck the payroll , parks paid for, SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!
    I want to see little kids scattering with their parents when Stanton starts denting the Coke Bottle!!

    • djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 12:34 pm

      To everything (Spend, Spend, Spend)
      There is a season (Spend, Spend, Spend)…

  12. djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:50 am

    The last person to blame for the Giants not winning a WS during the Bonds era is Bonds.
    Can’t fathom Ohtani choosing an NL team. Makes no sense…

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:58 am

      MLB Network pundits put forth the Padres as an interesting possibility because:
      – west coast (Pacific rim) team
      – Padres have some young talent
      – Padres have nothing to lose by trying something wacky like letting him play some outfield, because the Padres are kind of off the radar anyway

    • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:58 am

      Good point. Actually, both are good points.
      Regarding the lux tax, I suspect if we get Stanton we will be ditching Smarge for very little. Doubt the payroll is anywhere near 217 mil when the season starts.

  13. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 6, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Booby still wearing his diapers as he tells KNBR that the deal is in place, they’re just waiting on Stanton. The longer a deal takes to close, the less likely it will.

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      Convenient for FO. If no Stanton, “we tried, he didn’t want to come”. If he wasn’t interested in an SF alternative, they wouldn’t that’ve gotten this far, wherever that is…

  14. alleykat69 said, on December 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    Usual buzzkill coming from the Giants Snarkk!
    I don’t want to hear about we gave it are best shot BS!!
    A real GM gets it done no matter what it takes!!

  15. xoot said, on December 6, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    The deal was done last week. Stanton’s either waiting to hear from the bums or trying to decide what to do after hearing that the bums aren’t interested. He’s in no hurry. Why should he be? (Maybe Barry Bonds convinced him to wait for the anniversary of the 92 Bonds announcement. Yeah, right.)

    • djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:02 pm

      There might actually be something to that 25 year Bonds signing anniversary. I predict Stanton will be given #26 since he can’t have his #27 (or 28 or 24 or 25). The last Giant player to wear #26 was Jay Witasick in 2002. Maybe Gardner wears it now because it was his number as a player with them.

  16. sfsarge said, on December 6, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    This team was gawd awful last season, that is well documented. As much as I would love to see him here, I agree with blade. If they have to give up what few prospects we have and take on that contract, this team will be hamstrung for years or at least until his opt out kicks in

  17. Irish Kevin said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Unless Stanton jacks them out like B.B., then homers do not equal WS rings

  18. snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    Giants need fixes at 3rd and all OF positions. Stanton provides one hole filler and maybe enough HRs for 2 of the 3 OF spots. Fix at least 2 Pen roles , too. I’m probably forgetting something. With Stanton the 7-4 losses may be more enjoyable…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:57 pm

      Actually 3 outfielders – even with Stanton. No one can convince me that he will be even half way decent in right field, He’s not a statue, but I don’t see where a 6’6” man can adequately field right field. Pence was a disaster out there last season . . . Does anyone think Stanton will be as good?

      Couple that with finding a 3rd baseman, a 2nd baseman – Arroyo is a Hail Mary, 2 more pitchers (especially if they have to trade Smarge to address the luxury tax), and a bullpen rebuild.

      Sorry, I’m not convinced old man Johnson is going to open up the bank vault beyond Stanton, unless other bad contracts to this POS roster are jettisoned and replaced with upgrades.

    • sfsarge said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:53 pm

      Yes, I subscribe. Worth every dime. He articles are for more insightful and much better written than most of the drivel that is out there these days.

      • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:20 pm

        thanks. If I get “Bay Area” do I only get access to the Bay Area scribes or everyone?

      • sfsarge said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:00 pm

        You get national access.

      • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:10 pm

        thanks. That seals it. I’m surprised it’s so inexpensive.

  19. sfsarge said, on December 6, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    I feel like all of this Stanton talk is pointless, I feel like if he were coming here it would already be done

    • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:20 pm

      no reason for him to rush his answer.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:27 pm

        That’s true. With his no trade clause, he can wait until the cows come home. I suspect he’s still holding out hope for the Bums to swoop in and/or make a Hollywood production out of it at the MLB Winter meeting.

      • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:58 pm

        The Marlins aren’t going to give him away unless someone takes on the lion share of that contract. They’ll keep him before they just hand him over for a shit offer and then just trade him at the break next year when teams get more desperate.
        Stanton isn’t a good fit for the Dodgers, I highly doubt they put together a deal that the Marlins want to accept. Stanton isn’t crazy, he’s not going to leverage the no trade clause for nothing and then get stuck in Miami till he can opt out in 2020. At least, I can’t see him doing that.

  20. Lurker John said, on December 6, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    I’d be stoked. At least we’d have something interesting to watch.

    • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:05 pm

      I agree. It’s like the Niners getting Garrapolo, sort of. Something to look forward to. Another season like ’17 would be too brutal. It may be heretical to say, but I’m not worrying about championships in the foreseeable future. Give me watchable baseball in ’18. That’s what I’d like to see.

      • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:09 pm

        EVERYONE will be jizzing themselves if he’s in the box in a Giants uni next April. EVERYONE!!!! lol

  21. Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:11 pm

  22. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:39 pm

  23. Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    He knocked her up AGAIN! Man, Craw is just jack hammering away on this chick. lqtm. That looks like Pebble Beach in the back ground.

    • djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      I deleted what I wrote here before. Not right – felt bad.

      • Macdog said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:17 pm

        That’s just so wrong and yet so fucking funny.

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      They live in Scottsdale. I was just down in Phoenix, that rocky hill looks like just about any place around there if you drive off the highway 50 yards…

    • Irish Kevin said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:58 pm

      He is trying for a boy!!

  24. pawliekokonuts said, on December 6, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    What was Giancarlo’s name before it was Giancarlo, and for how many seasons was he known as that, and would baseball cards of same be worth more?

    • Flavor said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      Mike.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:17 pm

        didn’t we have Mike Stanton the reliever after he was washed up?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:19 pm

        yup…4-2, 8 saves, 2006

      • unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:34 am

        I thought t was Johnny’

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 6, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    I am not in the camp that says getting Stanton would be a disaster for the team for years to come, but I completely agree that he *alone* would do nothing productive for the team, short- or long-term. If the team gets only him and then stops adding necessary pieces, that would just be stoopid. They’d be better off forgetting about him and spending the money on at least 2 significant OFers plus the other pieces. That said, getting him would be great. 🙂 As long as another OFer joins too.

    • willedav said, on December 6, 2017 at 8:53 pm

      Agreed, and not some .600 OPS good glove guy either. It’s gotta be a real hitter/not dumpster dive guys like Evans added last year. I think Dirt is right–this group has couple more good ops to make noise.

    • djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:51 pm

      What happened to “it’s all about pitching”?

      • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:54 pm

        I think that went out the window when the Giants’ pitchers started sucking….

      • zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:09 pm

        And the baseball’s were changed.

  26. djloo27 said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    I think in his mind Barry won a WS in 2002, much like a hitter considers a hard line drive a base hit even if it’s caught…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      Sometimes in my mind I think the Giants won that year too. 🙂 I remember one Bonds HR in that series, a monster shot. The cameras showed the players’ faces in the Angels dugout, and their mouths were just hanging open, save for one player who could be seen mouthing “wow”….. Damn. Miss those HRs.

  27. snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    Since the Giants FO has totally dropped the ball in the minors, Crawford is trying to populate the team with his own offspring…

  28. zumiee said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    I think my first post on the old Splash was about the 2002 World Series. I just basically ranted about how frustrating and soul-crushing it was to be a Giants fan. 🙂 🙂

  29. snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    Youtube is full of Bonds HR vids.
    Even now, just a decade since he was done, it seems a long time ago. HIs exploits were truly incredible when you look back on them. The guy just hardly ever missed crushing a strike when he was in those peak years. Stanton would generate some of those type vids next season at ATT, but after the Saran Wrap, that’s not enough to go from 98Ls to even a division win…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      Agreed. Stanton is NO Bonds. Bonds was already a HOF caliber OF before he even wore a Giants uniform.

  30. blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 10:48 pm

    “Damon Bruce of 95.7 The Game in San Francisco reported on his radio show Tuesday that the Giants recently had a second meeting with Stanton’s reps. He did add though that Shohei Ohtani, not Stanton, is the Giants’ top priority, citing “the reality of the price that would have to be paid” for the Miami Marlins slugger.”

    I have zero info/idea about this dude Bruce’s cred . . . If what he says is true, than the Giants haven’t lost all their marbles. Ohtani is the much, much, much better “brass ring” to grab. Far less expensive, younger, and intriguing skill set (pitching & hitting). Most important, it allows the Giants to address all their other deficiencies without the anchor of Stanton’s contract around their neck.

    • snarkk said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:38 pm

      I would not mind taking a flyer on Ohtani. And, that’s what it would be. The guy is totally unproven and unknown how he’ll do in MLB. But, I’d rather check that out and roll the dice on a big upside than hamstring payroll and other player acquisition for 3 years, because that’s what will happen, then Stanton bails with his opt out; giving the Gyros three years of some Satan Wrap and then a nothing burger at the end…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:49 pm

        Essentially, that’s my thinking as well. I count upwards of a dozen reasons why pursuing Stanton is a “fools errand.”

      • blade3colorado said, on December 6, 2017 at 11:58 pm

        . . . and by the by, the Fan Graphs article I cited earlier indicates that the Giants currently project for fewer wins than the Marlins, who are intentionally trying to get worse. They are just a tick ahead of the Phillies and Reds, neither of whom are thinking about taking on $300 million in future contract commitments right now. With Stanton alone, it barely moves the needle – we gain 2 spots in the NL – going from 10th best to 8th. Big deal . . . as only 5 teams make the playoffs. Meh.

  31. Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 5:51 am

    come on Blade, win total predictions? Don’t get too caught up in that. That’s like the idiotic percentages espn gives during the games for a team to win or lose.Those are a joke, right? Let’s pay attention to what happens on the field, not what some WAR geek computes for article clicks…
    I’m leaving this thread up today. Gonna try to wait out these fuckers who are biding their time with their decisions. Feels like something will happen soon…..

    • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:34 am

      The point is not win totals (which I agree is impossible to predict, e.g., see Giants last season). No, the point is that Stanton barely moves the needle, especially for our hapless team. With the exception of Posey, Panic and Alphabet – all of our players flat out sucked or were mediocre.

      Worse, Panic may be part of the Stanton trade and Alphabet may have to be traded to ensure the luxury tax hit isn’t astronomical.

  32. Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 6:16 am

    i woke up in a shitty mood today (got a ph call in the middle of the night that was not important, all my friends/family know not to call me after bedtime unless their house is on fire and they need help OR unless bitcoin hits 25K and it’s time to sell). Anyway, tired as fuck right now but this video made me smile.

  33. gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:08 am

    otay, for the flappers who want to argue that trading for Giancarlo does not improve the team, I have one response: ECONOMICS!

    The front office is not making this deal to make the team necessarily better or championship quality (off course adding the MVP who just bashed 59 homers in a new juiced ball era obviously improves the team just with his presence), they are worried about putting butts in the stands. With an aging lineup, weak farm system and a manager end of his run, it is not inconceivable without Stanton or Ohtani for those nightly sellouts turn into 25,000 turning out. That is about 1 million less fans and what a conservative loss of $50 mill in ticket revenue???

    That is what frightens the front office…there is not going to be a tear down as other organizations have done like the Cubs and Astros…and also why they are willing to do anything they can to make the deal with Stanton, even when it seems obvious that he still prefers the Fodgers.

    • gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:27 am

      As I said the other day, the one thing I fear is that Giancarlo forces the Giants to add in a second year opt out. Because he obviously takes it and heads to LA.

      I still dont think Arroyo is in the deal. I think the first report of Beede, Panik and Shaw seemed to be right in the ballpark. I cannot see Arroyo or Ramos being added. If we dont have to swallow Dee Gordon, then obviously Panik is not in the deal, but I am then not happy about adding Arroyo. Ramos fine. Arroyo is closer to being a big leaguer. If Stanton forces a 2nd year opt out then I say F You, Beede is not going, choose Blach or Stratton. Giants actually have all the leverage here because it is clear Giancarlo does not want to go to St. Louis and Fodgers have no deal on the table as Giancarlo and his reps are trying to get the Fodgers to engage.

      Fodgers probably have the clear hint that he will likely opt out in 3 years if not 2 if that gets put on the table and Fodgers in much better financial shape in 2-3 years to avoid a major luxury tax hit they would take now if they trade for him now.

      Plus the Fodgers would have to give up zero prospects if he opted out down the road. I hope we don’t get stuck with the 2nd year opt out. I think we would with Ohtani and Stanton, plus the ability in 2019 to add in a Donaldson, maybe another OF to replace Pence/Spam unless one of our kids steps up, and beefing up the bullpen (of course there would need to be Bum and Ohtani extensions) a 2 year window through 2020 to won a World Series. Then if Stanton walks then great. We would have $200 million saved for those extensions…

      • Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:35 am

        totally agree with you about the Dodgers. He’s a bad fit for them NOW. In 2020 when he opts out (likely) he makes much more sense for them.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:05 am

        You seriously think Stanton will opt out? IMO, he’d be crazy to do so. Why? See Ryan Howard . . . Specifically, scroll down to his age 28 year and continue scrolling down.

        https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml

        Now, before you say, “That would never happen to Giancarlo, remember that Howard was put on a pedestal back than too. He hit 58 bombs when he was 26. He continued to be a stud until age 30-31, then pfffttt. Sure, you can argue that Howard played in a bandbox, but he was outstanding until and fortunate for him, scored a monster contract before going kaput.

        Nope, I don’t see Stanton opting out of that gift contract. In fact, we have recent experience with this type of contract – see Cueto.

      • willedav said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:31 am

        Consensus is if Stanton does well here yes he opts out. Because then he could choose whomever he wants to play for (unlike today) and tell teams they can redo the contract, so make me an offer I can’t refuse.
        Cueto was hamstrung by injuries and underperforming 2017. Couple more good years, Stanton rules and can play for whatever team/deal pleases him.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:44 am

        Me? I’m praying he does well here and opts out after 2 seasons. This isn’t Alex Rodriguez, much less Barry Bonds we’re talking about. He’s injury prone, coupled with a large body – which rarely translates to a long baseball career. As GH and Snarkk alluded to – this is just a PR move to put butts in the seats. You’ll be cheering his HRs no doubt, but a couple of innings later jeer his defense in right field I suspect.

        MVP last season and it hardly mattered for a Marlins team which I considered much better than our team.

      • gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:33 pm

        Blade, why I think Stanton is pushing for a 2nd year opt-out. I think he likely has 2 big years coming and look after 2018, Machado, Harper, Blackmon and Donaldson all as free agents. Machado and Harper are likely getting bigger contracts than Stanton. He would be the biggest bad-ass free agent the next year and see no way Fodgers do not jump all over him and Stanton knows it…

  34. willedav said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:58 am

    I just disagree Stanton barely moves the needle. He is a decent RF and immediately changes entire LU from opponents perspective, much like adding a Cespedes would have. And he can carry a team when he gets hot.

    However…Giants appear to be league average for hitters at SS 2b already, and likely below average in LF. Even if they can keep Arroyo, I doubt he is .750 OPS type hitter, so there’s another soft spot. CF has to be a position they fill with a legit 500 AB everyday .800 OPS type hitter ala L Cain. Ohtani might fill that spot too, just more questions about adjusting to NL ball and how much pitching he does.

    Flav has a good point too. I like F/G but most everything they do is based on WAR, a 2 win player yada yada is worth x amount of $$$. It’s a flawed stat to begin with especially for D, and using it to project what will happen going forward is a crapshoot.

  35. willedav said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:23 am

    the answer of course is “Scottie Pippen”, if the ? is what is Central Arkansas known for…until last night when the team picked to be near the bottom of the Southland Conference walked into Haas and put 96 points up vs. Cal and beat them by 27. yikes!
    Hasn’t been good preseason for Pac 12, but man Maples nuts will have field day with that one. Of course Haase 4-6 team has gone 1-2 in their battles vs. the Big Sky conference.

    • Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:39 am

      I’m having a hard time getting into Cardinal basketball with all the 1-done schools out there. Trying to field a quality team of kids who actually want to go to school (in NCAA bball) is nearly impossible anymore. I miss the days of Mark Madsen….

    • willedav said, on December 7, 2017 at 11:09 am

      to be fair to Haase, he’s missing a guy he counted on in Pickens, and lost a promising recruit (okpala) who has guard skills and grew to 6-8 as a HS senior to some academic issues still being sorted out while he is in class.
      They still struggle to be consistent with 3 young players who often start/get big minutes.

      Bottom line Pac 12 may not be all it’s cracked up to be, so couple good Ws in league could turn it around for them. And there are some schools that still have good players stick around. I think they benefit quite a bit from maturing physically and in terms of b-ball IQ gained from years of experience and practice.

  36. Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Stanton will opt out, likely, if he’s still putting up 50 bombs a year AND he still wants to go to LA in 2020.
    I wouldn’t compare Stanton with Cueto, 2 dudes with completely different body types and training habits.

  37. snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Wherever the “it’s all about the pitching” went, it’s near the place where the GOP’s “family values” ended up…

  38. willedav said, on December 7, 2017 at 11:20 am

    Nothing was said publicly but I think FO is disappointed guys like Moore and the kids in pen struggled so much last year under Rags et al. Interesting to see what new coaching staff brings to equation and if they are able to add quality depth to what they have in pen.

    As has been pointed out before, AZ big turnaround featured dramatic decrease in runs allowed btw 2016/2017.
    This will have to be big part of any Giants turnaround too and I think it’s entirely possible given full healthy years from Bum Cueto FLR and Melancon.

    SF is still strong defensively up middle (3 spots anyway) and at 1b. Fix CF and you are on your way. No way Stanton is worse than Pence out there.

  39. zumiee said, on December 7, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Regarding WAR, I was mystified when Scutaro was deemed a 2.0 WAR rating for 2012. Seriously? Any Giants fans believe that Scutaro was only worth 2 more wins than a replacement level player that season? That’s ridiculous. WAR has some flaws to it.

    • xoot said, on December 7, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      Scutaro’s first half numbers in 2012 were pretty mediocre; second half, tremendous (particularly after joining the Giants). So a WAR 2 overall makes sense. WAR’s a very good gauge–best overall stat there is, I guess–but it’s only good in context. (Nonetheless, I would not be upset if mlb chose the AS teams every July based solely on WAR by position. 😉 )

  40. alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    With the Giants nothing is a done deal.
    They need to be more like Cheech&Chong “Up in Smoke” with Stanton&Othani!
    Sign the Papers before I put a cigarette in your eye!

  41. alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    War,huh,yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    War, huh,yeah
    Say it again, ya’all

    • xoot said, on December 7, 2017 at 1:53 pm

      yeah, I’d just ignore Stanton’s 2016 WAR 2.5

  42. Macdog said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:07 pm

      Maybe Panik is in the proposed package. Beede, Panik, Span and all the dollars on the contract. Seems fair to me.

      • alleykat69 said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:18 pm

        Nobody in their right minds take Span,no way Marlins would..

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:36 pm

        Spend $9M for one year to save $252M? The Marlins might be just the team to do it.

      • gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:38 pm

        I doubt Panik is now. Question is is Arroyo the target? He would be a bigger get for Miami. Arroyo, Beede and Shaw are a great haul for them. Spam to Miami solely as part of the salary relief is still possible. Would keep payroll just over $200 mill and close to the cap.

      • gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:44 pm

        According to the reporting, Marlins had agreed to eat $45 mill of Stanton’s deal…so if $11 mill of it is eating Spam’s salary, what is the difference??? They save $14 mill immediately…

    • xoot said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:41 pm

      Dee Gordon gets $10M in 2018 and over $13M in 2019 and 2020. Can you imagine loading up that on top of Stanton?

      • gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:45 pm

        I feared mgmt was desperate enough to do it. Does Gordon going to Miami impact the Stanton trade???

  43. gianthead said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    Ok we are not stuck with Dee Godon and $39 mill…we keep Panik then. How do you think it affects the potential deal?

  44. Macdog said, on December 7, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Interesting note on Gordon trade: With Cano already at 2B, It looks like Mariners plan to play Gordon in CF.

  45. djloo27 said, on December 7, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    Just for the record, I deleted my mean spirited post about the Crawfords.
    I was in a bad mood when I wrote it.

    • zumiee said, on December 7, 2017 at 3:08 pm

      Now people are going to feel guilty about laughing at it. 🙂

      • Macdog said, on December 7, 2017 at 3:14 pm

        I’m on the record for that, ha ha.

    • Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      fuck i missed it.

  46. snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    I’m not super knowledgable about WAR.
    If you added up all the WAR stats of all players on the Giants last year, would the net of that, added to an average wins/team in the NL, come close to how many wins the Giants had? I’m assuming most of the Giants had a negative WAR for the season…

  47. Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    Pence does appear to be working out a lot this off season. At least he’s been posting pics of it.

    • snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 5:57 pm

      Uh, am I not visualizing right here? Where’s the bar that holds the weight plates? He’s lifting the plates one at a time with bare hands? At least he’s not making a vid of his wife doing some nonsense.

      Maybe he’s listening to my post about Giants finally showing some twittershit with guys working out, instead of the tiresome fawning tweets over their respective women.

      How many shots of specialty bulletproof coffee with butter and coconut oil did he nail before pumping this iron? That stuff is supposed to help you lose weight…
      https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7746513,-95.4106271,3a,75y,267.86h,74.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seKvAwGhLAF8Jtd1PShj0og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

      • Flavor said, on December 7, 2017 at 6:13 pm

        i think that’s just a rack to hold the weights.Although I don’t understand why it’s out in the middle of the driveway like that

      • snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 6:22 pm

        I agree, it looks like the rack; and the bar for the weight plates is somewhere else. The google link shows the gym he’s working at in Houston across the street from the furniture place; it looks like he’s standing in the middle of the gym’s parking lot…

      • zumiee said, on December 7, 2017 at 6:28 pm

        Maybe Pence will have the classic ol’ solid salary-drive season.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 7, 2017 at 7:36 pm

        Maybe the Washington DC moron will choke on a KFC chicken bone . . . In other words, I doubt Pence at 35 is going to have a Renaissance comeback year. Same thing for Span (34), Panda, Crawford (31 when the season begins), and Belt (30 in April).

  48. snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    Meanwhile, back at the Freaky Farm, aka the US Congress.

    Franken resigns after more “groping” accusations.

    And, now, a GOP Congressman is quitting after two women staffers accused him of “asking” them to carry his child as surrogates.

    He apparently pleads astonishment that a woman employee might consider the “request” weird and offensive in an employer / staff situation.

    R we all living in some kind of Twilight Zone? Sheezus, the next thing you know the Giants get Stanton by taking all his salary and giving up the only three minor leaguers they have that are worth a damn…

  49. xoot said, on December 7, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    I just checked I on tonight’s nfl performance. Pretty good game but the falcons all red throw back unis look like costumes you’d see in a Broadway musical about football. I hate Broadway musicals

  50. Macdog said, on December 7, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    He added, “Cardinals and Giants not on Stanton’s approval. Unclear if either or both teams have been told anything to this point.”

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:14 pm

      Wow….

    • zumiee said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm

      • snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm

        Didn’t this Mish guy say a week ago he was coming to the Giants?
        IF newest is true, looks like a lot of you guys need to return your jumbo Saran Wrap rolls.
        blade and I never bought one, we figured this wasn’t going to happen from the get go … 😉

      • Macdog said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:42 pm

        He had tweeted a trade offer from Giants for Stanton. I don’t think anyone has said Stanton is going to the Giants. BTW, I’m a little skeptical over some of this tweet-porting, but if it’s interesting enough like the above, I’ll post it.

      • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2017 at 5:51 am

        djloo27 said, on December 4, 2017 at 5:18 pm (Edit)

        We ain’t gettin’ either of ’em…

  51. unca_chuck said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    That weight holder is like my wife’s treadmill. The only workout gotten from it is me moving the fucking thing around.

  52. snarkk said, on December 7, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    Any of you guys following the A’s follies on their new ballpark?
    The touted Laney College site is now a total “no go” from the College trustees, so the A’s are back to square one. How they got to touting the site as essentially set is beyond me.

    I don’t get it. The Raiduhs are leaving for Vegas. The Dubs are leaving for Mission Bay in SF. So, the A’s have the entire Coliseum site to themselves in 2 years to build a new baseball park. Or, just knock down Mt. Davis and re-furbish the Coliseum. The BART connection right there is invaluable. The A’s could develop the rest of the site for mixed use in partnership with the City. It’s so logical, so obvious. They could have Baer run the real estate for them…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 8, 2017 at 5:37 am

      A year from now, maybe 2 years, all Flappers will release a sigh of relief that the Giants didn’t sign Stanton (despite our FO’s best efforts to hamstrung this organization for the next decade).

      Now, let’s see if they get serious about rebuilding this franchise and forget this nonsense about this “faux” reloading for 2018.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 8, 2017 at 6:01 am

        Despite Stanton preferring 4 other teams over the Cards and Giants, the GMen still have a very slim chance of still landing Stanton (God forbid). Stanton indicates that he might reconsider, should the Giants sign Ohtani.

        Laughable in my opinion, as the international signing bonus pool allotment the Mariners received in the Gordon deal boosted the amount they can offer Ohtani to a major league-high $3,557,500, just ahead of the Rangers ($3,535,000). Consequently, I think they’re a shoo-in to sign him.


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