Bore Core Still Kickin’
Oh goodie because what would we do if these dudes weren’t out there for opening day???
We’re going to be force fed these old men till we’re all dead, aren’t we?
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well, as FanGraphs noted they are bringing back 2014 with Pence and Sandoval as leading DH candidates.
I was trying to think up Opening Day LU. Longo would start if he wasn’t on IL, Belt absolutely would not because Opie owns him.
Solano SS
Yaz RF
Flores 1b
Sandoval 3b (love to see Green if Longo out)
Pence DH (rotates with Ruf or Dick)
Bart C
Davis LF
Dubon CF
Sanchez 2b
I would like to see that infield with just Green at 3rd….
Is this the line-up you WANT to see, or along the lines of what you think Kap will trot-out there? No way in hell we see Bart on Opening Day. IF we see him at all this year, it will probably be with two games left of the 60 (assuming we get that far), so as not to start his clock.
Yeah unfortunately it’s “The Giants Way” with old washed up players with big contracts to keep running them out there.So nothing changes, the infield will still be the walking dead with Longo,Belt,Crawdaddy, and Panda as backup to keep the old dial meter high..
Next day vs. Buehler or other RHP Dick is in LF Yaz in CF Davis in RF Belt at 1b Dubon at 2b Ruf DH. Kapler said unlikely BHam makes opening day due to late start, so maybe Slater takes someone’s spot. I think Sanchez makes the original LU for his defense, but once rosters lose spots if he isn’t hitting at all he’s out. Kap gets to indulge full on platooney stuff moving Flores Dubon and others around.
Do they give Duggar a shot??? With BHam a likely late add, Duggar gets a shot no? All whitey Dick Dug Yaz OF….all lefty infield Panda Craw Wong (any shot?) Belt and Shaw as DH…
Thurman Munson’s plane, similarly….
A flab four reunion! Be still my heart.
Sometimes I don’t think it’s right to put down guys who contributed so much to multiple championships for our favorite team. Can’t blame them for signing big, long contracts and getting old. But there’s no excuse for a professional athlete to be seriously out of shape.
this was always going to be the most likely outcome–guys hang around long enough they’re going to become unproductive and that’s what we have with the Bore Core now. Guys like Timmy and Cain and others got out in time….
Not Matty, Flavor…
The numbers say Craw and Belt shouldn’t start on opening day vs. Kershaw. But it’s opening day, and it would be a tough pill for both not to start. Kapler learned in Philly it’s not just always about the numbers. The manager manages human beings, who have minds and emotions. It’ll be interesting to see what Kapler does with the opening day lineup.
If it was a normal 162-game regular season, I might see that side of it. But in a 60-game sprint where every game really does matter, no way. Sit ’em.
I would imagine (hope) that they truly put out the line-up that has the best chance to win. Will be interesting.
Given Belt’s abysmal stats vs. Kershaw — I tried to look it up on Baseball Reference, but it looks like that info isn’t free anymore — there’s no way in hell he should be in the Opening Day lineup. Crawford, too, for that matter.
Yeah, the party’s semi over at BBR, Mac.
You gotta subscribe to something called Stathead, I think.
Well, everybody’s gotta earn as they say…
I do not subscribe to BBR, and was able to pull-up Belt’s splits against opponents.
Bart should start but I don’t think he will. It will be a business decision. I believe if Bart plays in 3 games it will be considered his first year. They will probably spot start him after they see how the season will play out.
Saw about half of Joe Bonamassa Live at Greek theatre (LA) show last night on public media channel. He has big group, 3 backup singer babes, 2 saxes and trumpet, himself another guitar keyboard bass and drums. This was tribute to Albert Freddy and B B king, with a big sound. Interesting guy though I think I prefer the originals.
This channel also showed a feature a month ago on historic black neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Hill District. Footage of jazz greats from there including billy Eckstine Errol Garner Stanley Turrentine George Benson Art Blakey among others. Great insight into rise and fall of entertainment, due mainly to urban renewal akin to what did in Fillmore District jazz clubs in SF and changed neighborhood forever. As they said, urban renewal=black removal.
Baggs said he didn’t believe service time was deal breaker for Bart not starting with ML first 30, though he took Z and Kap at their word on “development.”
I agree about more development for Bart. From what I have read the plan is to have a shitload of intrasquad games in Sacto I believe.
I want to see Bart, but doubt he gets more than two starts (as not to start his FA clock).
I should read the articles more closely. This is just part of a Athletic article.
But there is an additional consideration in 2020. What if the season goes sideways? What if the pandemic forces another suspension? What happens in the very possible event that teams complete only a small slice of the 60-game schedule?
What if the Giants start the season with Joey Bart behind the plate at Dodger Stadium next Thursday, and this whole experiment becomes an untenable mess, and everything gets called off after, say, three games?
I’ll tell you what happens: according to the March agreement, the service-time denominator is no longer 67 days. It becomes three. In other words, Bart would play three games and receive a full year of major-league service. The Giants would completely waste a year of club control over a player that they view as a future franchise pillar.
And at some point, teams have to plan for 2021, which could end up being a mini-season, too. A team could lose two years of service time for a player who didn’t play all that many games in two years.
Plus, the next CBA contract will likely lower the service time to attain free agency from 6 years to 5 years, and loopholes removed. The players will be pushing very hard for this, because players want to get more money at a younger age. The new GMs don’t want to pay older players a lot anymore.
And the geniuses they seem to be will not bother showcasing Joey Bart on opening day..
It is a business decision. Nothing to do with can Bart play at the ML level. See the excerpt that Winder shared above. I have read that article in the Athletic, and others similar articles. Doubt we see much of Bart this year.
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i remember that day. Mays was the best player i ever saw.
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As a young kid and having watched him play Mays was my baseball hero, and still is. I can’t remember the year but i think it was early 82/83 that there was an old timers game at the stick. And when Mays was introduced it just broke me down, it brought tears to my eyes. After all these years i still love the guy.
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Crowley and Hank were having discussion about service time and Bart. Hank and others have said if season got cancelled altogether after a week and Bart was up to start, then he would get full year of service time and FO would look terrible.
On other hand, he only needs to sit I think they said 5-6 games or 1 week, and if it season went full 60 he accrues zero service time. Crowley says, put your best team out there, and it definitely would include Bart.
Willedav-It really all comes down to betting on the pandemic. Otherwise sit him for a week like you said and let him rock & roll.
If he plays in THREE games, regardless of how many of the 60 they play, he gets a full year of service time. That is part of the March agreement to which the players and owners agreed.
Chipower- i believe it that if they play the whole 60 game and Bart plays lets say 40 of em then none of that time counts because he didn’t reach the 67 day requirement. But If he plays in 3 games and they suspend the season due to the virus he gets credit for a years worth of service. At least that is my understanding.
bart should play after the 1st wek. he is ready, but to risk losing him or paying him a year only vs sitting for a week?? No brainer!
Mays hit it in the hole between SS and 3rd for hit number 3,000!!
Yeah as far as is ownage goes its Opie over Belt
I believe it stands right now at 4-58 with 27K’s ouch 🤕
I found the stats on ESPN:
Belt 4-60, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 29 Ks, .067/.138/.083.
Craw 6-48, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 14 Ks, .125/.143/.125
yeah ouch. thx.
Pence sucks too against Opie, but he atleast puts the ball in play more..
Yep. I just realized the stats I shared from BBR were splits lifetime against the bums…not just Kershaw. Either way, he sucks balls against the bums and Kershaw. Sit his ass.
ok I can’t type! Week and risk paying him in a new long term contract a year early…
Still don’t understand – go slower for me…
Looks like the Blue Jays will be on the road all season…
Mac – I was able to access Belt’s splits (against opponents) via Baseball Reference:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=beltbr01&year=Career&t=b#all_oppon
Against the bumbinos: 494 PA, 25 2B, 1 triple, 14 HR (a HR every 35 PA), .238, .349, .402, .751.
So yeah, definitely set his ass against the bums.
Realized these are not against Kershaw, which you finally listed, Mac. Bottom line, Belt sucks against the bums AND Kershaw. Sit his ass.
That’s the kind of thing Kapler gets paid for. “Craw and Belt, you’re starters, but….not on opening day.” That’s the part where a manager needs to have some people skills.
i mean, he could also just say “you guys are no longer starters”. And then use those people skills you’re talking about to explain why.
Willie D’s LU looks good to me, with the understanding that PHs and replacements for El Gordo and Pence will mix in by mid-game. But I agree with the consensus — no way Bart starts the “season” on the 30, even though the other three possibilities don’t have all that much more experience. In fact, given the chances Bart’s had to work with Posey and the Giants staff (such as it’s been), in some ways Bart has more specific experience. Sanchez should start at 2B — and I look forward to watching him — but the lack of offense elsewhere will cut down his time. Gold glove and gold sombrero both for him last year.
So long as Kapler has 30 players in the dugout, with several of them being excellent utility types, he’d be foolish not to sub freely.
Sad but a true stat,when the Giants face Opie in the opener they will be starting they’re 13th leftfielder in a row after Barry Bonds.Just shows you they’re lack of developing outfield talent over decades of time..
i can’t find the tweet, but a couple weeks ago someone tweeted that they’ve used 51 different left fielders since he left. I think it was 51, that’s why I was looking to confirm the # but I couldn’t find it.
oh boy, there is a TON of gold in this one
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Drew Smyly was rookie in 2012 for Detroit. He just got into Game 2 of WS (on Giants channel right now), walked Belt with Pence already on 1b and then gave up the beauty bunt hit down 3b line to Blanco that loaded bases with nobody out. Got Craw on GIDP that scored a run to give SF 1-0 lead and then K’d the Riot.
Leyland left him in to pitch 8th and he was charged with insurance run after walking Pagan who eventually came in to score when Pence drove him in off Dotel.
btw Mets at Yanks exhibition game on ESPN right now.
ESPN 2 Yanks at Mets
From Baggs: Heliot Ramos has a leg infection, Gabe Kapler said.
Who the fuck gets a leg infection and what the fuck is it?
Is that the fuckin’ medical term for a boo-boo?
I don’t know, but while small-time logging, I suffered a small gash on my shin. Two doctors building a big cabin across the river gave me some beers to pound and then one sewed up the wound, but I kept working and it didn’t heal very quickly. An ominous red line began to move up my leg. Blood poisoning, said the most experienced guy at the lodge. So next time the float plane came in I went back to Anchorage for the weekend. The ER doc said, blood poisoning, and gave me a shot. And then I had a really great time in the big city for a couple days as the ominous leg infection vanished.
Of course he does.So I assume that pus him a leg behind the competition?
A leg down?
Someone called a radio show to ask what happens to the cardboard fans in the rain.
Not a bad question…
Bring out the Wreddy-Wrap,
All this angst over lack of crowd noise makes no sense. Most of you remember the Stick in the late 70s/early and mid 80s, right? Every time I see that video of Kuiper’s one home run (and it seems as if I see it two or three times every year) I remember how empty so many of the other mlb stadiums were. What’s the big deal now?
i really hope they end the fake crowd noise experiment. I was just watching the Yankee game, it’s awful. We’re not idiots we can watch a game without prompts and prods and still know how to react.
I love shows like the Office and Silicon Valley and Curb because they don’t use stupid laugh tracks.
Agree..When you have to create fake laughter it means your show is no good to begin with..
MASH?
Mets have the cardboard fans behind home plate — except for a block of 11 empty seats in rows 2-4. Even the rich cardboard fans can’t be bothered to show up.
Oh the fake crowd noise is here to stay. They could even use it in future seasons to create more crowd noise.
Already done in Seattle’s NFL games.
Hah!
Think they actually do it in nba games as well
you can get electronically enhanced exhaust rumble as an option on many new cars — enhanced through the interior sound system for the hotrod driver and enhanced out the pipes for bystander children waiting to cross the street, I guess
So I’m checking out the fake noise on the NY v NY game and it’s absurd. I’ll bet the radio feed will be less obnoxious. I hope it will be. Turn that on and watch the screen mute. Or just watch the screen.
I was rooting for Familia to serve up a bomb just to see if there’d be fake booing.
you know, cheap streaming and on-line editing options might make it possible for fans to simulcast their own crowd responses to game events. That could be a thing.
It’s going to be pretty easy for the broadcasters, covering the games from home.
Fuck the fake noise. I’ll watch these games on mute.
Freeman says his temperature reached 104.5. That’s scary.
Especially if it’s celsius…
I’m not sure it sounds like a baseball crowd. It sounds like angry villagers going after Frankenstein’s monster with torches and pitchforks.
i don’t know. I think I hear the faint voices of drunk men shouting that they wanted mustard on their fucking dogs
“I hope that’s a baseball game.”
So I glance up at the NY v NY game and see who looks like Matt Duffy batting for the yanks. Is that right? Meanwhile, in a sidebar a voluble Latina woman prattles on at 200 mph about a million minor gossipy things while the announcers essentially ignore the actual game. That is Matt Duffy, I’m sure, on by error. Mute. Check the phone.
Every team has their Amy G., whose official title is “in-game reporter.” Willie’s favorite. 🙂
Cue the Temptations doing “My Girl”
Yeah, even in a meaningless exhibition, the non-stop ESPN crap that distracts from the game is annoying.
Duffy scores on Kratz 2-run single for Yanks.
If this is the Yankees they have some holes to fill I didn’t know about
It’s the 9th inning.
Ex-Giants everywhere — Parker K and Melky flyout for the Mets.
I just set the two preseason games against the A’s and the first two against the bums to record. Cannot remember the last time I set a baseball game to record. I am excited to see some meaningful baseball, and the Giants – A’s games should be fun, too.
HUMM BABY.
So they are cool with Posey bowing out, not playing Bart this year, but they are aggressively pushing fucking BELT to make it to opening day? LOL WHAT IS GOING ON? WHY IS BELT ALWAYS HERE!?!?!?!?
my secret: I’m starting to be like “Fuck it, I like this guy’s name, let him play.”
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You’re done with Brenda so quick?
yeah i’m in on Tromp. Good choice to be Cueto’s battery mate vs. Opie.
Speaking of Belt, Giants channel showing Game 4 2012 WS right now…Belt whacks first pitch he sees from Max Scherzer off 330 sign down RF line for a triple to drive in Pence with first run of game.
So, 8 years later one guy is making $35 mil at top of his game, and the other is charter member of Bore Core.
Baggs just tweeted Heineman, who switch hits, is who caught Cueto today for 4 innings.
No surprise if he catches him again on Thursday.
Apologies if this has been shared. While I’m not a huge Ostler fan, he offers his reasoning om why Bart sho uld play.
https://tinyurl.com/y5zhax5p
Flav – er, I mean Fuck. The back-and-forth with the trumpsters is fucking hilarious. And poor Brenda. She may actually be a really nice girl. A really nice girl who can suck-start my Harley.
Chi, thx for Ostler link. I read story today in Chron, and here’s direct quote: “…the Giants will have to keep Bart off (key word) their major league roster only 5 games to deny him one full season of service.”
I’ve seen words like this used by others lately, so I think your 1:24 isn’t accurate.
I think this is the Kris Bryant type of situation–as long they keep Bart out briefly for start of season, he doesn’t get credit for full year of service yada yada.
A lefty hitting catcher with some pop is such a great thing to have – like Vogt last year.
Geezers like me remember Ed Bailey and Tom Haller.
Were there any in between?
For the Giants that is…
stretch there where Giants went rent a C every year. Didn’t Brett Mayne hit LH? don’t remember much pop off hand…Tromp hits RH, Heineman can switch hit.
Brent Mayne. Hit pretty well for BA in 2 seasons with SF but only 5 bombs in about 600 ABs.
I see Vogt attended Azusa Pacific which produced only one pro football 🏈 player of note.
Can you name him?
Hint: I own his replica jersey…
SanDawg would bury this one like Phil Esposito on a loose puck in the crease…
The weird three-game arb situation kicks in, apparently (see Baggarly), only if the season gets shut down early. How the March agreement otherwise altered the super-two rules is hard to figure. Obviously, no player is going to be on the 30 for 130 days (or so) this year. Problem is, nobody’s showing us the agreement; we’re getting contract interpretation from beat writers who’re probably hearing about it from players and agents and front office people.
any link, if it’s out there, to actual text from the agreement would be helpful while we wait for tomorrow’s exhibition game . . . .
yeah xoot, that is true. Season ends abruptly, if you have played only a few games you do get full year of service time.
If it does not, my understanding from what I’ve seen posted on twitter threads of Giants beat writers, Bart only needs to sit out first week-ish and he won’t accrue full year of service. but again, I’m not sure about that.
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Loo,
I’m going with the Nigerian Nightmare Christian Okoye (sp?) who was a bad ass RB for your KC Chiefs back in the days!
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Giants most indispensable player per mlb.com:
Evan Fuckin Longoria…
lol!
Who the fuck determined that? Every one of us wouldn’t hesitate to trade him the first decent offer we got.
They must think he has some leadership skills that haven’t been seen yet.
Yaz by a mile.
“most indispensable player” has got to be a name mlb.com just pulls out of a hat.
Indispensable? What is Cueto’s trade value???
Surprised they didn’t go with Belt lol 😂
Here’s the write-up on the indispensable Longo:
“He’s a ways removed from those wonderful seasons with the Rays. But with Buster Posey having opted out, Evan Longoria is the closest thing a Giants team heavy on platoon options has to a true everyday player. And with this club in a clear transitory state, his influence on the next generation of Giants is important.”
So with the pandemic rule about no spitting ( which won’t happen it’s just natural for players to spit and it won’t stop them)will they try and enforce Bumgarner from not hurling snot rockets?
In the Yanks/Mets game yesterday, I saw a few moments of spitting. For some reason, though, there were very few camera shots of the dugouts. It’d be interesting to see how the players do their social distancing in the dugouts.
My prediction for who plays the Kevin Pillar where he did he come from award this year is going to be Dubon. Think we will be impressed with him in the field and my further prediction is that he will lead the team in OBP for the year….
I think Dubon is gonna be a solid player for us and he definitely has the versatility Kap is looking for. I hope we have a handful of players that will impress. i like the idea of playing the Dodgers a shitload of times to start the season and I think we should start as many youngsters as we can. I like the idea of throwing them into the fire right from the get go. Maybe some new blood will be able to tap Kershaw’s ass.
i hope Dubon does play CF. But don’t discount B-Hammy if he’s healthy.
Oti Taylor, Loo?
I highly doubt it but its worth a shot.
It’s Okoye, Chuck.
Kat got it up above…
So, what the actual fuck is going on? When do games start? This week?
It has been a shitstorm of weirdness around here. A niece on my wife’s side, my niece’s best friend (who went to a 4th party in Modesto that she thankfully didn’t attend), a co-worker of my wife’s and her entire family, and a close friend of my daughter’s, who did a similar get-together, all came down with COVID. Christina’s friend has a sister who is 30 is now on a ventilator, and is touch and go. So, in the space of 5 days, 14 fairly close acquaintances got the virus. My wife’s niece is doing OK but the rest of the family is getting tested now. They are part of the Huntington Beach non-believers club. Well, they were.
I did manage to get a round of golf in at Lake Chabot with my daughter and my son. Been 3 years, and it was predictably terrible. By the 8th hole however, my driving got pretty consistent. I can’t chip to save my life. Christina had 5 pars, and she glermed a bunch of chips as well. I didn’t bother keeping score, but I think I had 2 pars. Garrett, however chipped in twice in a row. Once from 40 yards, and one from 50. If I had his short game, i’d lose 15 strokes a round.
Going to Tilden on Tuesday with a buddy and Christina.
My prayers go out to the whole group that got infected Chuck.Especially The gal on the ventilator machine at 30, way to young to have that happen to her! Yes this virus doesn’t give a shit about age, extra precautions are needed at all times!
Man I love playing at Tilden it’s a fun track, I’ve actually done pretty good there in my golf club in the past.I just hope after I can play there again after recovering from my hip replacement surgery, but it will take time with more PT but I’m feeling better every day!!
And thanks for the timeline, Winder. I’ve been trying to figure out the whole free agent clock, and the cutoff to pass it. 3 games if the season disappears?
This season WILL get cut short. I don’t expect to see Bart at all.
Monday and Tuesday, preseason games vs. the A’s, on Giants and A’s TV.
The real games start on Thurs. vs. Dodgers. Thursday’s game is on ESPN.
interesting to see how trades are handled this *season* I haven’t heard about how that’s gonna go down
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Sure I respect the skill and practice it takes to get good.
Just don’t get the popularity of it…
Too me Loo its all about getting out with buddies (are a club your in) and just knowing your out in good weather most of the times and just enjoying the fresh air and the occasional good drive,iron shot into the green,a good chip, are bunker shot is very satisfying.. But of course if all goes bad it’s the 19th hole for cocktails 🍸 🍺🍻🍹and talking to your fellow competitors about there round and yours over a burger 🍔 before heading home..
A former co-worker absolutely did not like golf.
I wouldn’t say I despise it but not into it. At. All.
Loo, hitting a good golf shot and watching it soar a couple of hundred yards in the direction you were aiming is a pretty damn good feeling. Kinda like when you really crush one with the stickball bat.
Watching it on TV? That is another story. I love the game and have a hard time watching.
Chuck—how did you do on the famous Par 6 at Chabot???
Golf is the greatest sport ever created when it comes to all age groups being able to play. Some of the best moments of my life happened on the golf course. Poker is also something you can play your whole life and I intent to do so but in terms of getting outdoors and having a great time, nothing beats golf with the boys. Nothing.
i mean, golf is fucking hard, lol. I’m lucky my family got me playing so early and it’s been part of the fabric of my family my whole life. I started playing when I was 8. It’s just fun as hell to play golf with your friends. There’s no other way to describe it.
I play some golf, though I’m not very good. Sandog is right, hitting one just right is a helluva thrill. Flav and Kat also are right, just being out on the course for a few hours is cool no matter how you’re doing. It took me a long time to appreciate that part of it. My parents in their mid to upper 80s still play a good amount.
Strickland vs. Duffy. Mets vs. Yanks.
Duffy Ks.
D-Backs vs. Dodgers is later tonight.