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A Move By Farhan

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 12, 2022

The negative way to look at this is that we exchanged Rodon for Manaea thus automatically making us worse. A more negative way to look at it is realizing that Manaea sucks. I don’t think he was even still in the rotation with SD by the end of the year.

This is a glorified Brebbia Aisle pick up. He might do ok here because most pitchers do ok/better than ok at Snoracle Park. But we are worse today than we were at the end of the season. And that is the wrong direction for a team to go when facing the behemoth’s in our division.


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  1. willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:36 am

    Project. Not someone I was looking forward to. With SD last year, he had highest WHIP and HR rate on almost entire staff. ERA was 4.96/FIP 4.53.
    Darker side of Dirty Sanchez…can be sailing along and then comes unglued.

    • willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:37 am

      Has an opt out so technically 2023 is a contract year fwiw.

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:52 am

      we need pitchers esp if Disco isn’t ready. He’s not moving the needle for me which is typical for all of Farhan’s moves.

  2. Locojuan said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:57 am

    I guess you could say this is also a contract year for Zaidi.
    I will say Farhan’s plan Bs seem to be at the other end of the alphabet from mine, might have to start calling him Plan Z man.

    The 9er game was such a blast. We were winning 21-0 when my wife and I left for her office Christmas party. It is a 1/2 hour drive into town so by the time we got to the restaurant the Niners were up 35-0 and Brady is throwing a hissy fit. Fucking great. Had to check out replays of the other 2 TDs when I got home.

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:30 am

      yes. Watching Brady stew on the sidelines with intermittent screaming at coaches and players was nearly as good as the win

      • willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 8:11 am

        He also signed ball for Greenlaw from the pick he threw. And gave up “what’s up big fella?” shout out and hug to Bryant Young before game.
        I’m with Sportsdude re Brady but realize what any comp to St. Joe does to Niners fans. Used to laugh at UPS driver who was Fins fan that bet against Brady all the time, without much luck.

  3. willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:00 am

    As MLBTR column says, fell apart in second half of last year after doing fine in first 3 months. He gave up 18 HRs in last 3 months, and OPS against in each month were .964 .897 .780. slugging pct. vs. RHs was .494 with 25 HRs. And Oracle plays pretty fair for RHs.

  4. Giant Head said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:18 am

    Ring ring ring…

    ”This is Farhan the Kid”
    “Yes sir, what would you like to today?”
    “One starting mid-range middle of the order starting pitcher from the Brebbia aisle!”
    “Ok, I have this questionable health lefty Sean Manaea that will fit right in with your Giants. Will pitch well enough with that ballpark of yours and your staff does an incredible job with the Brebbia aisle pitchers and your AAA lineup will get you right into .500 blah performance to keep finishing third in your division 20 games out.”

  5. Giant Head said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:27 am

    One sense I don’t want to spend $210 mill on Rodon if we have no star laden (or just one or two) talent in the lineup to compel a playoff push. I seriously doubt Farhan was pushing hard for Judge. To me that was all ownership via Larry Baer trying to sell product, which I have zero problem with. Rodon is not driving the turnstiles nor do I think Correa will. Maybe faint hope that a Correa may help land an Ohtani next year but I seriously doubt that. What got us three World Series was incredible drafting of serious starting pitching talent with Posey as the linchpin and then filling in first all the vet hitters as some other young hitters made their way into the lineup and also added big time savvy bullpen pieces. Hunter Pence was a huge pickup at the time but was probably the most significant player we added and the two most significant free agent adds via financial commitment was Zito and Rowand, ultimately two major flops outside of Zito’s one huge win in St. Louis. That is probably the same path that we will have to pursue to be competitive because Aaron Judges and Shohei Ohtanis just are not signing big time deals with us. Josh Bell would have been the prototypical addition and Farhan does not seem like he bothered to pursue.

    • Giant Head said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:30 am

      Other savvy adds in those magical runs were Cody Ross, Freddie Sanchez, Marco Scutaro and grabbing Juan Uribe and his importance has been somewhat lost to history.

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:31 am

      here’s the bottom line: if we don’t bring back Rodon we are looking at nearly a guaranteed under .500 team next year. I’m tired of waiting for the next season (which never comes). You can say 3 WS’s has fucked me up or whatever but none of us are getting any younger. They don’t need to wait to be competitive. They could have spent $ this off season and chose not to. That’s on them.

      • Giant Head said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:46 am

        Well I think in all fairness they were willing to spend on Judge at we all think was the same amount he got with the Yankmes 9 years $360 mill. He was just never in reality going to come home. Maybe putting all chips and focus in the Judge basket instead of seeking multiple negotiations with multiple high end free agents was a mistake. But 12 years and $300 mill for Turner and $288 mill for Bogaerts seems dumb to me. Let’s see what is on the table for Correa but even with him we are .500.

  6. Locojuan said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:41 am

    Might not want to schedule any games in LA for Manaea. In his two games there last year, each game he only lasted 4 innings, and in both games, he gave up 8 earned runs.

    • Macdog said, on December 12, 2022 at 8:45 am

      That’s still probably better than DeSclafani.

    • James said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:11 pm

      And in another one against LA he allowed 6 ERs. When you give up 22 earned runs in 3 short starts, there’s some reason to believe the crappy season ERA is probably an outlier. Not wildly excited about Manaea, but he’ll likely be a somewhat better than average starter again next year.

  7. Giant Head said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:54 am

    Flav and others may appreciate this. My main fantasy league I had to win this week and then outscore the team in 8th place who also has to lose even though he is favored. His team craters with his unwise pick as his QB starter in Pickett who gets one point and a concussion. So all I need is a solid win with at least 13 more points and have Herbert and Mike Williams as my Sunday night players. My opponent had Brady as his QB and was almost shutout in points until that cheap late td that Brady should not have probably been in the game for. But my opponent has Tyreek in the evening game. I am watching the finale of White Lotus with the chick and missed the crazy Tyreek fumble recovery for a td but at least they don’t credit him with the fumble recovery td so I am still ahead by about 12. I turn the game on mid 3rd and with horror see the Charger corner fall allowing Tyreek an easy 60 yard td. We are now tied essentially in the game and I am sweating bullets.

    Second play next drive Herbert throws an across the body deep throw to Williams for 55 yards. If they don’t make that play I am likely out of the playoffs because overnight they credit Tyreek a td for that fumble recovery cutting my 8 point win to just 2. Just in as the 8 seed baby!!!

  8. alleykat69 said, on December 12, 2022 at 10:50 am

    Nothing changes with the Giants EVER when it comes to getting a F/A Star!
    Always the Bridesmaid never the Bride!

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2022 at 12:03 pm

      i know. I don’t really care how hard they tried. Fucking close the deal. That’s what you’re being paid to do.

  9. Macdog said, on December 12, 2022 at 12:04 pm

    Slusser tweeted earlier today: I’m told the Giants *are* still pursing Rodón.

    Meaning, of course, expect the Giants to come up short yet again.

  10. unca_chuck said, on December 12, 2022 at 12:49 pm

    Rodon’s a pitcher so there’s an outside chance.

    • willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 1:16 pm

      And a Boras guy, so forget about any hometown (or other) discount.

    • Winder said, on December 12, 2022 at 1:47 pm

      Hopefully he likes pitching in our park and that might sway him a little. I would like to see us get him back but the way things seem to be going it will probably be a 5-7 year deal. Don’t know if we would do that.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 12, 2022 at 1:58 pm

      5/$100 mill?

  11. unca_chuck said, on December 12, 2022 at 1:53 pm

    Bassitt’s gone. 3/$63 mill to the BJs.

  12. zumiee said, on December 12, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    There were two definitive message-sending victories for Bay Area teams over the weekend. The Warriors and Niners both took care of business in a big way and sent the message that people shouldn’t sleep on them. They both steamrolled their opponents. The Celtics came into SF with the best record in the NBA.

  13. zumiee said, on December 12, 2022 at 3:48 pm

    A few days ago was the sad anniversary of the death of John Lennon. I can go long periods of time kind of forgetting how he died, but then that day in December rolls around each year and there will be reminders on the internet or TV news. John’s been gone now for 42 years, 2 years more than he was alive on planet Earth.
    I was driving that night, listening to the radio broadcast of Monday Night Football when the news was announced. I learned about the death of Kurt Cobain while driving also. I was listening to a music channel when the news was announced. Cobain’s death was 28 years ago, as time keeps rolling along.

    • zumiee said, on December 12, 2022 at 3:50 pm

      I mention those two because those are the two celebrity deaths that I had the biggest emotional reaction to.

  14. unca_chuck said, on December 12, 2022 at 4:48 pm

    Yeah, both of those were bad. Skynyrd’s plane going down. Bon Scott.

    • willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:15 pm

      Otis Redding when I was in HS that one hurt.

  15. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    Fun 3-team trade (A’s, Braves, Brewers), 9 players, mostly prospects, a couple key names. Always liked those 3-way trades.

  16. willedav said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    Football Cardinals have to be one of most hexed franchises in history.
    And now NE is in end zone and up 7-3.

  17. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:33 pm

    Re: “celebrity deaths”, for me I think it was all of 1970 that turned my world at 14 years old. I was still digesting the story of My Lai (which happened in spring ’68 but we didn’t find out about it until Fall ’69) when 1970 brought Kent State in May, Jimi in September, and Janis in October. Boy, were the ’60s dead. I remember just thinking WTF is going on… As an adult, John Lennon’s death shook me terribly, as did Sandy Denny’s death in ’78.

    • Winder said, on December 12, 2022 at 6:49 pm

      Yep those were big deals to me also. Now you read about mass killings in the 20’s and up and it just makes you numb. Multiple fentanyl deaths in just about every city everyday. I guess it’s because there are so many more people in the world now than 50 years ago.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2022 at 7:05 pm

      Actually, not exactly in the category of celebrity deaths, but My Lai probably was a catalyst for me suddenly *growing up* about the real world at the age of 13. When I visited My Lai on my first travels to Vietnam in ’04, that was definitely the most I’d ever cried my brains out as an adult…

      • Winder said, on December 12, 2022 at 9:16 pm

        I took for granted that stuff probably happened a lot. It was a different kind of conflict.

      • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2022 at 9:23 pm

        It probably did, and does, but at age 13, it became a growing-up moment for me…

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