THE San Francisco Giants Blog

Stuck With the Best Record in the NL

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 24, 2014

Never have I been less confident about a Giants team with the best record in the league. Our best paid pitcher is likely gone for the year. Our center fielder is barely able to hit off a tee these days. Our 2nd baseman is going to break off into 47 pieces at any moment. And our most promising young hitter is getting worse from the concussion he suffered, not better. It’s shaping up like a lost year for Belt.

We continue to beat up on bad teams. If you’re Sabean, what do you do? Seriously, what do you do? Personally, I would start with trying to acquire Zobrist or Bonifacio–a guy you could plug into multiple different spots. Because that’s what this team is going to need for the rest of the year. And the plugs we have now aren’t plugging up anything.

I suppose you could take a shot at a starting pitcher but they are always in such high demand, I can’t see Sabean having the bullets to fire at a target like that.

Or do you just ride it out with the crew you have?

In terms of finding trade partners, it just feels like, to me, that Sabean would be bringing piss to a shit fight…..

Winning is Nice, A Better Team Would Be Better

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 23, 2014

That was a satisfying win. The one thing you can always count on with this team is that they don’t give up. And as a fan, while that should be the minimum that you get from the players you root for, it’s not something that all fans for all teams get game in and game out. So I appreciate their effort.

Having said that, we shouldn’t delude ourselves as we did before into believing that the best record in the NL meant we were the best team in the NL. And by 1 percentage point, we nearly have the best record in the NL….again. This is a team with gaping holes. It was nice that Jeff Manned the Ship that went down in Philly last night. But we can’t count on loser fringe pitchers to cough it up every game.

With the trade deadline quickly approaching, Sabean doesn’t have his “bad penny” excuse to fall back on this year. As usual, pitching will be the hardest asset to acquire. That has to have Sabes doing a slow burn because pitching is his favorite thing to stock pile. He doesn’t have the balls or the booty to go after David Price. I would think a more realistic target would be Bartolo “Two Slices” Colon. He’s pitching tonight, and I expect Pat the Bat to be in Seattle taking a look at The Man Who Demands Extra Mozzarella on that Shit…..

Bonus: the strip joints in Seattle suck so Pat might actually have both eyes and his brain on that game tonight…..


Why The Flap Dominates In Other Blogs Faces

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 22, 2014

The thing I used to loved about this blog is still the thing I love most about this blog. Yesterday, Zumiee makes a random, innocuous comment about hitting up A&W for lunch before the Giants game:

zumiee said, on July 21, 2014 at 3:23 pm (Edit)

Today I had lunch at one of the original old A&W places, from back when car-hops brought things out to the car. I had root beer in a cold glass mug. Good times.
Now I’m ready for some BASEBALL!

And then, despite a game going on (and a good one at that) the rest of the Flap community bobs and weaves through the baseball related thread with personal stories about burgers and best places to eat, and such. Finally, as the blog was shutting itself down, San Dawg tied it all together with an epic POTD. That one had it all, didn’t it? Sports played, lessons learned, childhood memories, humor and even a “bad ass” reference. It probably had other things, too. And then freaking Loo goes over the top of Diggity’s epic post with some cherry finality that had me laughing out loud this morning…..

So thanks to all of you guys who make this blog the BEST San Francisco Giants blog anywhere on the internet…..


The Giants beat down big, bad Cliff Lee and tonight we get to face the dude of a thousand names. I always thought it was awesome that when Roberto Hernandez decided to fake his birth certificate to de-age himself he went with “Fausto Carmona”. You gotta have some flair and a little bit of ballsy stupidity to enter the US with a made up name like that. He probably figured that if the baseball gig didn’t work out he could get a job working as a magician at the circus. “The Great Fausto!”. Yes, I know I’ve said that before. I continue to amuse myself. Carry on.


Heading into The Dog Days of Philly

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 21, 2014

Yesterday was disappointing but not surprising. The Giants have several back up players who shouldn’t be on the 40 man roster. You bat Sanchez/Arias/Blanco back to back to back and 0 for 10 sounds about right.

And if you thought it would get easier than Brad Hand (or whatever name is)  you would be mistaken as there are few in the world easier than Brad Hand.  That name almost sounds made up.

Cliff Lee comes off the DL tonight. Joy.

Though for some reason, I’m strangely optimistic. Pence and Morse have historically hit him well, pummeling him for 15 hits in 24 at bats. And that’s when he was still good. Lee is 36 and coming back from another elbow injury so I think we take the “glass half full” approach tonight.

But there is no magic wand to fix the bottom of our order. There’s no guy behind the guy. With Belt out and Scoots on a *1 day on 5 day off* work program we are going to see all the “Blanc-ias-anza-paniky-chez” we can handle…..

And Pablo can’t hit left handers anymore so maybe I’m tasting less liquid in that glass after all…..

Is it too late to pick up Cody Ross for this series? :)


The Incompetent Giants Medicos Strike Again

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 20, 2014

It’s nice to see the Giants taking concussions so seriously, he said with heavy sarcasm. Brandon Belt got beaned in the face on a throw during batting practice and still ended up starting the game. And remember, the beat guys were mentioning BEFORE the game that they thought Belt’s back was acting up because of how he was moving around prior to the game–turns out, it wasn’t his back but rather his head, which probably felt like it was about to explode. And that’s the main issue I have with letting him play: if the writers noticed something was wrong, the freaking training staff should have known better and sat him down.

After scoring he was removed from the game with all of the usual concussion symptoms including nausea and dizziness. He should never have been allowed to play yesterday.

And in case anyone needed a reminder during the game, here’s how close the bad throw from Salty came from possibly doing some serious damage to Belt’s head:


It’s 2014, not 1954, there is concussion protocol. It doesn’t matter what the player says. And it is disturbing that the Giants played Belt yesterday when he should have been at a hospital having actual  medical professionals checking on him. He dodged a literal bullet last night. He’ll likely go on the 7-day concussion DL.

Runs! Wins! Duh!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 19, 2014

Hey, we scored 17 runs in our last 2 games. A bounty, to be sure. If we lose 2-1 the next three games that averages out to be 4 runs a game. That’s enough to win all 5 right? Well, not all runs are created equal.

But last night was a great sign, they knocked around a pitcher with very good stuff. I’m actually not sure why more bats don’t  miss his pitches. Eovaldi seems like a guy that has all the pitches necessary to dominate and then he just doesn’t. Actually, tonight’s pitcher is a lot like that, too. Henerson Alvarez has sick stuff but his strike out rate is rather pedestrian.

Some of their failures is related to the battles they have with the catcher. Did any of you catch Eovaldi shake off Salty on the pitch he threw Crawford that ended up in the stands? I wonder what their conversation was like later.

Gotta keep it rolling tonight…..

Time to Play Ball!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 18, 2014

I feel like I’m awakening from a bad dream. So excited for baseball again. I built 20 different fantasy line ups at 4am. I’ve cleared my schedule so that I actually get to watch the entire game this afternoon (those 4pm games are not easy to make).

Buster has had a long, long rest. God knows he needs his rest. Maybe he starts the “2nd half” raking. His OPS is at an alarmingly low .753. I’d like more from my 167 Million Dollar Man.

I wish we weren’t playing Miami. They are one of those teams that always seems to give us fits while the rest of the league wipes the plate with them.

But whatever, I’ll stop now. I’m starting to get negative and this is a day for positivity. Positively.

67 to Go….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 17, 2014

Do you think it’s possible that the Giants go 40-27 the rest of the way? Because that would get them to 92 wins and if not the NL West crown, certainly a playoff spot. They have the worst record in major league baseball since June 9th. THE WORST. If that’s a little too sobering for you, on June 8th they had the best record in baseball. THE BEST.

So who do you think this team is? The worst? The best? Something in between?

So much of their fate depends on whether Angel Pagan comes back healthy. And of course, if they manage to acquire the vaunted Ben Zobrist. :)

Personally, I don’t think there’s any way in hell they go 40-27 the rest of the way with the currently assembled team. Blanco has to stop playing regularly. And the offense has to start supporting the pitchers who are absolutely pitching well this season.

I’m most concerned about the closing position. If the team does start to hit well enough to win regularly again they aren’t going to be blowing people out. They’re going to be playing nail biters and that means lots of closing opportunities for Casilla. And the last thing a struggling team needs is a closer blowing a bunch of games for them.

The psyche of the team just couldn’t handle that.

I think they go 30-37 the rest of the way. Yes, call me a “doomer” I can handle it. I’ve doomed it up before, I’ll doom it up again. Put your predictions in the comment section below and/or click on a poll answer.

Selig Stiffs Gwynn and Welch

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 16, 2014

Bob Welch died in June and Tony Gwynn died a few days later. The All Star game was a perfect spot to honor the memory of both men and the contributions they made to the game. And yet there wasn’t a single reference to either of them. This made no sense to me. Is Selig only down with honoring the baseball legends who are still alive? The only thing I can think of is that mlb didn’t want to take anything away from the focus of saying “goodbye” to Jeter. And if that’s true, that is simply shameful. What other reason for ignoring their deaths could there be?


All Star Out Takes of Chris Berman

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 15, 2014

Tonight is the Derek Jeter Game. At least, that’s how the media is presenting it. I can appreciate what Jeter has done in his career I just have absolutely zero emotional feelings about him. I’m not planning on watching the game but who knows, maybe I’ll click on it by accident.

Hey, if you’re tired of Chris Berman’s boring schtick you should check out some of these videos of him that ESPN has pulled from youtube. Pretty hilarious stuff.


Also, congrats to BLADE who outdueled DIRT in the HR Derby Final last night. Blade, you are the Flap HR Derby Champion for the year! Celebrate!

Home Run Derby Time

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 14, 2014

The Home Run Derby passed its prime a long time ago and needs a complete make over. The first and best way to improve it would be to get rid of Chris Berman. His bombastic calls have got to go. He calls each one like it’s an actual home run in a real game and the “back, back, back, bullshit” is beyond played out. Have some hottie in a bikini who knows nothing about baseball call the Derby. Or have nobody call it. We all know what a home run looks like.

Secondly, it goes on way too long. I’d make it one round of 30 swings.

The only thing I’d keep is the little leaguers shagging in the outfield. That’s pretty cool and something they’ll remember their entire lives.

Since it’s unlikely that the HR Derby rules committee will heed my recommendations by the start of tonight’s contest, we can entertain ourselves by trying to pick the winner of this thing. Bragging rights only. Here’s a list of the competitors, you get one guess. Put it in the thread below. First answer is your final answer.

Bautista, Cespedes, Donaldson, Dozier, Adam Jones, Frazier, Morneau, Puig, Stanton, Tulo.


This is like a scene out of Schindler’s List:


FIFA Time!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 13, 2014

World Cup Day. I admit it, I’m going to watch. Go Argentina. Or FIFA. Or whoever.

Let’s see if we can score a run today. Because if we score one, we will score 5. And that should be enough to win today.

When we score first, we are 38-11. When their opposition scores first, we are 13-32.

Although Pawlie taught us this lesson back in 2012, right?

Timmy Wins, Scoots Returns

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 12, 2014

Butter him up baby ’cause Timmy’s on a roll!!!!!!

Thank God for Lincecum who has literally risen from the dead to stabilize a shaky pitching staff.

Today marks the return of “Bad Back Scutaro”. My enthusiasm of his inclusion in today’s starting line up is completely tied to my excitement of not seeing Arias/Adrianza/or Hicks in the starting line up. Just seeing him out there will feel good, right?

Speaking of guys who need to do more, Michael Morse has hit 1 home run in his last 31 games. Wasn’t it about that long ago that we saw him grimace in pain at the plate after a painful swing? It would be nice to see him pop one out today and get back on track…….


Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 11, 2014

It’s hard not to appreciate what the A’s are doing this year. They sometimes list 3 catchers in the starting line up—and I’d take any of the 3 over just about any hitter in our line up. If they don’t play all 3 in the same line up they platoon them. Platooning your catcher position is a brilliant plan. You always get the right match up, you keep their legs fresh and you don’t have to pay them anything.

As I look over at our 167 million dollar man who takes days off all the time I can’t help but wonder what our team would look like had Sabean taken Bean’s approach to filling the catcher position…..

But whatever, the A’s are a much better team than we are. Problem is, most teams are. Now we get to find out a new level of embarrassment with the D-backs coming to town.

Anyone feel confident about taking this series? Can I get some of what you’re smoking?

Angling for a Split

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 10, 2014

Day Game today. Hicks likely taking his final at bats in the major leagues……


Mid-Game Thread!

Posted in Uncategorized by unca_chuck on July 9, 2014

Can the Giants hold the lead? Cain is barely able to hold the lead! 

Top of the 7th . . .



Day Dreaming

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 9, 2014

Now we have them right where we want them. In our house. Our hizzle. Cespedes has announced he’s going to idiotically defend his HR Derby crown. His wrist is already starting to hurt again. All of the balls they hit to right center will die in Hunter’s glove, somewhere between the archways. Jason Hammel will pitch to his 2013 ERA of 4.97. Runs will flow freely, like wine from a box. Cain will dominate.


The A’s have no fucking idea what’s in store for them tonight.


Getting Beaten By the Much Better Team

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 8, 2014

Well, that was one that ran true to form, yes? Without Pagan and Sandoval and with literally no one above replacement-level to play DH, the Giants were set up to get destroyed last night. And with Sonny Gray taking the ball tonight, expect another beat d0wn.

Someone on KNBR mentioned this morning that the Giants should skip the DH and just let Bumgarner hit. If you compare Bum’s OPS to the OPS of his replacement-level teammates, it seems on the surface like a good idea. But once you go without a DH you must go without the entire game. And I don’t think anyone wants or needs to see the likes of Casilla busting ass down the first base line again.

I said this at the beginning of the season: the Giants look great this year; as long as not a single player gets injured. Last night, without Pagan and Sandoval, you have a line up stacked with shit. And a line up like that isn’t just a target for a stud team like the A’s to feast on— The Cubs would take us out to the woodshed, too.


I’ll give Sabean credit, at least he’s honest. We’ve always joked about wondering whether or not other GM’s even have Sabean’s phone number. Now Sabean is confirming that they do not, in fact, return his phone calls. When Kawakami asked Sabean if he was in on the Sa-marg talks, he replied “We contacted them in the middle of the month and they gave us the impression on 2 or 3 occasions that they’d get back to us. Which they didn’t.”

Ouch. So Sabes and his people can get as far as Theo’s secretary before getting stonewalled. Frankly, it bums me out to find this out……..

Bay Bridge Series Time!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 7, 2014

….and I’m home.

So, when you are an NL team having to play in an AL park, this is what the bottom half of your line up looks like:

Colvin, Blanco, Arias, Crawford.

That is just not that impressive.

Although the A’s bottom 4 goes Vogt, Lowry, Callaspo and Gentry.

Also underwhelming.

I’m going to bet that their bottom 4 out homer us 1-0 tonight with Callaspo getting the winning bomb (in this mini bet of their bottom 4 vs our bottom 4)

And no it’s not just you, we should all be very scared about what the A’s are going to do to us in this series—taking us out to the woodshed time….

Morse Can Do Whatever He Wants

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 6, 2014

Morse is catching some sh!t on the internet for his over-celebrating tie-making home run but I thought it was awesome. Talk about a month’s worth of frustration coming out in one swing. It’s so awesome when a baseball moment like that bubbles up out of no where.

And what’s up with Belt only hitting one bomb? I clearly said “one or two” in my thread yesterday. That bastard owes me another one today. :)

If you missed it, go read Pawlie’s post from last night about meeting Andres Torres. Just awesome stuff.


The Last Straw

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 5, 2014

…..and that straw is named Eric Stults….

I don’t think there’s any other way to put it or anything else to say about it.

Maybe Belt hits a bomb or two today and washes away the fetid memory of Eric Stults.

Happy 4th of July

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 4, 2014

I’m out of town and moderately off the grid and I just heard that a hurricane passed by or through North Carolina. I swear to God, the first thing I thought of was “good thing that fuckin’ clown decided to raise his house after the last one.” I checked the comments in the last thread, sounds like he’s ok and he broke off one of the great one-liners in Flap history:

“Living along the Hurricane Belt is kinda like being a Giants fan: You pay the price and you get to ride the ride.”

If he was able to generate that type of gold with a maelstrom swirling around,  I’m assuming he’s just fine.

Today we play a team with the worst offense in the league and will be facing a starting pitcher that is one of the worst in the league. We should roll tide today, right? 11-3? Something like that?

Or lose 3-1 because we suck.

Happy 4th to all you guys and anyone else even loosely associated with Flavor Nation. This is my favorite holiday of the year and no, I don’t light shit on fire. Just love the day. Gonna go bone up on the contestants in this year’s hot dog eating contest. I’m guessing that is NOT one of Loo’s favorite competitions to watch. :)

31 years ago today, this happened. Was there anything more “4th of July” than this? Raggs throws a no hitter striking out Wade Boggs while Billy Martin does a quiet, nervous burn on the bench during the final out. You know, nowadays we just don’t seem to have moments like this anymore. I guess that’s why they’re *moments* you never forget……

Name that BBOTD

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 2, 2014

Well, whether it was the new BBOTD that put him over the top or just skill and experience, Timmy did what I didn’t think he would do: follow up his no hitter with a quality start. And man, we needed that. However it can’t just be “Tim for the Win” every 5th day. It’s time for more of his teammates to step up.

Normally, my confidence would be shot for a game like tonight’s against Wainwright. But I’m buoyed by the haunting afternoon haze of the newest BBOTD. The sun has set according to my dad, but as far as she’s concerned, the future is still brilliant and alive………

Someone needs to name her. Nominees go in the thread below…….

The Cardinals Come to The Phone Park in Hell

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 1, 2014

Well, whether the sun has set or not on the 2014 Giants season, we still have 80 games left to play, starting tonight v St Louis. And if you look at it that way, we either have plenty of time to right this sinking ship or plenty of time to tread water in the sea waiting for the sharks to come devour us–long one of my greatest fears. Is there a worse way to die? Maybe getting chopped up in a wood chipper? Anyway, I digress.

The Cardinals are throwing another pitcher at us that we know nothing about. Marco Gonzales who was their first round pick LAST year. He’s the first player from that round to make it to the big leagues and I don’t know about you, but I am tired of the Cardinals churning out dominant pitcher after dominant pitcher from their farm system.

Let’s light this fuck up.

The latest BBOTD, the one that I think holds so much promise, gets her first test tonight……..

Rock Bottom. I Hope. And A Poem by “Bobby Bowden”

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 29, 2014

I just took my “LostAgain” facebook profile pic down. It’s pretty hard to mock the Dodgers with that as my profile pic when we are the worst team in baseball. And we are. The shitty Rockies took 3 from us at home. Fucking San Diego took 2 of 3 and the only way we got even one W was the no hitter. And now the Reds, a good but not great team, sweep us in 4 IN OUR OWN FUCKING PARK!!!! It’s madness I tell you….
I think they need to go on the road, let the dudes get drunk together, miss some curfews, maybe bang a slump buster or two. But whoops, that’s not going to happen. We stay banished in “Hell’s Phone Park” for another series against the Cardinals who, for all their struggles, are a much better team than we are.
It’s times like these that I’m glad to be able to immerse myself in fantasy baseball and distance myself from the misery that is my home team…..


In these dark days, I turn to my elder statesman for guidance. Here’s the email I got from my dad this morning:

On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:58 AM, WV <> wrote:
the tide comes in
the tide goes out
the sun has set
That was the entire email. Thank you, Dad. Somewhere down in San Diego, San Dawg is lqth.
Read this epic poem out loud and do it in your best Bobby Bowden voice and you will know what it’s like to be my dad…..
and finally, a very interesting graph that I stole off Pav’s blog:


Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 29, 2014

I barely have the interest to change the thread. I can’t remember a worse homestand. I don’t think I can remember a worse June considering we had so many home games this month. No runs. No hope. No more Romo. Please. This Flapper’s dauber is down about as low as you can go…..

Spiraling, Abyss Below

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 28, 2014

“We Don’t No Hit You, We Don’t Win.”

It’s probably too long to put on a sign and it doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?

Leake was lights out and Cueto has shut pretty much everyone down this year. But now we are in a pickle as the possibility of getting swept (again) at home is a real possibility. Alfredo Simon has been surprisingly good this year. Matt Cain has been surprisingly bad. And then “No Hit” Bailey gets to feast on us again tomorrow.

If I’m coming across negatively, it’s because I’m reacting to reality. If our reality changes, I’ll adjust my mood and attitude accordingly…..




MadBum vs. Cueto: Game Time!

Posted in Uncategorized by zumiee on June 27, 2014

Should be a great duel. Big game for both teams.


Another Notch on My “No Hitter Buddy” Belt Buckle

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 26, 2014

Like many Giants fans, I was at work during Timmy’s masterpiece. In the 6th inning I started rummaging around for that old radio I used to listen to the NLDC game vs Cincinnati in 2012. I couldn’t find it. Had a co-worker bring a radio in. It didn’t work.

So I called on the only other reasonable option I could think of:  I left work.

I bee lined it to the closest bar about 2 miles away: The Dutch Goose in Menlo Park. They’re known for their deviled eggs which are devilishly delicious. I got to the Goose in record time but was devastated to discover that every single tv had the stupid World Cup game on. I tried to explain to a worker about the pending Timmy no no but there was a bit of a language barrier and I don’t think he cared much about baseball anyway.

I left the Goose but not before powering down this:


Not wanting to risk going to another establishment where my pull was limited, I headed across town to my buddy’s bar in Los Altos. Thankfully, it was the bottom of the 7th (a long inning) so I made it in time for the top of the 8th. As I enter I realized all was right with the world as every single tv had the Giants game on. No pull necessary except the bar stool I *pulled* out.

There weren’t a ton of people there so I had to make small talk with the patrons. Normally I hate that shit but all 6 of us had the commonality of the game so it wasn’t totally irritating. We made a few $1 side wagers. We promised to each slam a beer, in unison, if Timmy finished the Pads off. We never followed through on that promise….

After Timmy got the final out and we’d finished high fiving each other, one of the guys declared us “No hitter buddies!” I was in a reflective moment, and, quietly to myself, declared that kind of a gay thing to say. :)  But it got me to thinking, I can remember everything about the other 6 Giants no hitters that I watched (or in the Count’s case, listened to). I remember who I was with, what we were eating, the color of the walls.

Around 4pm we all wandered away from the bar, and each other, likely forever. Six brand new no hitter buddies, off to live the rest of  their lives separately, but bonded forever…….



Looking at WAR Unlike The Way Bill James Might Look at It

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 25, 2014

WAR is one of those stats I observe but don’t really use to evaluate a player. For starters, it factors in defense and that’s not really on my radar when it comes to building daily fantasy teams. Secondly, I don’t understand how to calculate it and that’s another reason I’m probably cooled to it. Thirdly, what I do know about it I don’t like since I think it emphasizes defense too heavily and I think the sabermetric community has a LONG way to go when it comes to perfecting defensive metrics.

As I drove into work this morning, I was thinking about Pagan and his obvious impact on the team (both when he plays and when he doesn’t). Is there a player out there who defines “replacement player” better than Gregor Blanco? I decided to look up their WAR numbers and see how they compare. For those of you who know nothing about WAR, consider this: The WAR number tries to quantify how many wins a player is worth to his team when compared to a replacement player (ie, someone from the bench or the minor leagues).

In 2013, Blanco’s WAR was 2.8. Pagan’s was 1.3. In 2014, Blanco’s WAR is 0.4, Pagan’s in 1.7.

And then I looked at the wild splits the Giants have the last 2 years with Pagan in the line up and without him in the line up. And that’s actually a lie, I didn’t look it up. But I know the Giants are like 20 games over .500 with him in the LU, and significantly under .500 when he’s not in the line up.

So I’m gonna take the liberty and adjust Pagan’s WAR from it’s current 1.7 and bump it up to like 40.6. Sound good?

Imagine if the great WAR machine Mike Trout went down and he was replaced by a healthy Angel Pagan. Would that team go into the tank?

Just another way to look at it.


I changed out the BBOTD again. Dumpy only had so many wins in that ass. I went a little sideways with the current pic–kinda like how it feels this season is going………

A Forgettable Game and Waiting For the All Star Game to Be Over

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 24, 2014

I’m not going to look up that dude’s minor league stats (mostly because I can’t spell his name) but I recall some twitidiots saying he had a problem with control, walked a lot of dudes (also k’d a lot). So what do the Giants do? They go up like brain dead lemming hackers. It’s like they didn’t even bother to read a scouting report. Whatever, losing to that pathetic offense is inexcusable. And Matt Cain sucks. And the Giants have some “Desplainin’” to do….

Question for you all: Does anyone care if any Giants make the all star team? Are any of you voting? I could care less about the all star game. I’d rather have my team rest instead of engage in all that bullshit. I think I cared more about Giants all stars BEFORE 2010– it was the only way we really got recognized nationally. But after you win 2 world series in three years you stop caring about what the rest of the country thinks. The all star game, especially the home run derby, is pretty underwhelming for me at this point. Additionally, voting has become a joke. Back in the day, you earned your vote by going to the game and freezing your ass off waiting for the usher to bring you some punch out cards. I don’t vote these days but I think all you have to do is point and click from the comfort of your home. 25 votes max. Every day. Is that correct? If so, it’s lame.

Here’s how to fix the HR Derby: Fire Chris Berman immediately. And just make it one round. You get 30 swings. That’s it.

No Time To Panik

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 23, 2014

Stix wrote something last night that covers it better than I could. Here ya go:

stickman said, on June 22, 2014 at 8:10 pm (Edit)

Will the league figure Panik out? He strikes me as the cogitative type. Student of the game type. Into the culture and perhaps a bit of the magic already. Second Base is pivotally key to the poetry of an acute infield. Panik could be the homegrown fit. He more than fully realizes his role is not that of busting down the barn door. Today’s RBI double tells us he’s not strictly punch and judy. Does he choke up on the bat? Inquiring minds could almost envision this kid as cut out from the type of baseball which probably peaked in the 20′s, just at the time when Babe Ruth made the homer King.

Poetically again, Panik almost represents a mythological character. 2nd base has been a long-running sore for SF. Robby Thompson kinda set a pattern. He too was a bit of a throwback to a vintage form of baseball. Retro. That monicker would fit a playmaking, glove-flipping contact hitter who aims to hit em where they ain’t.
That’s my read of the new kid in town. Hope he hangs around for a bunch of while. Last couple times the Giants had a sparkplug playing and batting second they won all the marbles.

Course we don’t know for sure yet. Baseball tosses a topsy-turvy turn of events at the darndest times. But it is just possible that the keystone has just been set into the arch. Got a feeling about this kid. Steady Eddie Bressoud played for the original version of the S.F. Giants. Some players have a level of inner harmonics which has a positive influence on the entire rest of the team.

Sandoval, Crawford, Panik and Belt. Mark that down. That could be some infield.


Stop Getting Injured

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 22, 2014

Last night was sweet although my celebration is a bit muted with the ongoing Pagan back problem and the new oblique problem (that’s what it looked like to me) that Mcode38 incurred in an at bat last night. He’ll be off today and with Pagan set to hit the DL, we aren’t coming out of the injury woods, we are still wandering inside of them….

We can only hope that the strong powers of DumpyAss can shepherd us through this injury riddled season. She did her job last night and I expect her to dutifully perform again today…..

Panik start today. Should be a lot of fun for the kid as well as his family and his glove that, hopefully, finally arrived in Arizona…..


Snake Bitten

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 21, 2014

Not much to say. Closed door meeting did nothing. The fresh new BBOTD was useless. Another day, another loss. And Voggy leaves me wanting more….

But still….”Panik Time!!!!!”

Don’t get too psyched, this dude just has to be a little better than the shit-duo of Hicks and Adrianza. At this point in his career, he should be able to at least do that…..

Three Coins In a Fountain, Each One Seeking Happiness

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 20, 2014

The headline has nothing to do with the thread. I just couldn’t think of a good headline for today and “Planes, Trains and Automobiles” popped into my head and that was just a classic scene. I haven’t been able to look at a fountain since I saw that movie without thinking about those 3 damn coins…..

Today’s Giant related point:

With Casilla back and Belt on his way, the Giants look about as “whole” as they’re going to get this year. The obvious other “hole” is at 2nd base and Sabean has to do something about this growing problem. While I would prefer that he get Utley it is far more likely that he gets Gordon Beckham. This irritates me because the only reason he’ll target Beckham is because of money and I get irritated when one of the wealthiest teams in baseball tries to “dime store” their way to another title. I know that’s always been Sabean’s plan and maybe his hands are tied by ownership, but Chase Utley and Gordon Beckham are not really comparable.

But Gordon Beckham and whatever cobbled combo of Hicks/Adrianza you want to put together are not comparable either. So you pick up G-Beck and you’ve plugged in a competent big league 2nd baseman. An underwhelming 2 thumbs up from this corner……

The other hole is center field. I think we can now safely assume that Pagan’s horrible defense last week was directly related to this now ominous back injury that has required an epidural. As we know with these shots, the first one often doesn’t take and he’ll need a second one. And there’s a guy moving around Arizona rather gingerly right now who knows all about that.

If Pagan goes down like Scoots I don’t see much coming to the rescue on the trade front. Maybe a “Ben Revere”, something like that. Hey, he could get packaged into a deal for Utley and……nevermind.

I’ll start the “Gordon Beckham Come On Down!” thread now so I can just paste and plug it in when it finally happens……..

“……thrown by 3 hopeful lovers…you know this one? No?”

Trouble, Bad News Everywhere

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 19, 2014

The Giants have lost 9 of their last 10 and now Kershaw is throwing no hitters for LA. It’s definitely grind time if you’re a Giants fan and now they get another day off. I’ll be sprinkling nails on top of my Frosted Flakes this morning….

Pagan has been sent to Arizona for tests on his back. You already know this. And this is ominous news……

It feels like this season is hanging in the balance, doesn’t it? How did this happen so quickly? Falling off the top of the world, Ma!

Finding New Ways to Lose

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 18, 2014

That was about as uninspiring as you could get. A day off to clear their collective head from the sourness of the weekend and they showed up flat. And what else can you say about Matt Cain? You can talk all you want about the win stat and how it doesn’t matter but we’re closing in on July and he has 1 win. That’s decidedly un-horselike.

And it doesn’t get any easier with Sale set to mow through our lineup. They’ve lost 7 of 8 and while we also had streaks of losing 7 of 8 in 2010 and 2012, this one seems to have a darker hue to it. But maybe I’m still just bent about those 3 unreal losses to Colorado…….

I’m not sure if Bochy could have filled out a shittier final 4 in today’s line up. Sale’s gonna strikeout 36 today



Jean Machi is The Boss

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 16, 2014

Do middle relievers ever get Cy Young votes? Holds are about the dumbest stat out there so I’m assuming they don’t. But Jean Machi is quietly putting together a set up pitcher’s dream season.

He’s given up 1 earned run in 31 innings this year. His ERA is a microscopic 0.29. But check out his ERA+. That’s his ERA adjusted to the ballpark. Average is 100. His is 1180. I decided to compare that to some of the great relievers of the past.

The Eck: His best ERA+ was 603.

Mariano: His best ERA+ was 316.

Bee Idiot: His best ERA+ was last year (562) but he only pitched 13 innings. His previous high was 2010 when he checked in with 217.

Greg Minton: His best ERA+ came in 1979 with 196.

I could do this all day and not find anyone with 31 innings who hold an 1180 ERA+.

That’s just incredible.

He has a 95% LOB rate. What? How could that be?

There are other stats that say he’s not having one of the greatest reliever seasons of all time. And he’s 32, I get it. But still, if the bullpen continues to waiver, it’s nice to know that Jean Machi is having a career year to calm the waters……


San Dawg had Gwynn sign this for his son many years ago. By the way San Diggity, I really enjoyed your post about Gwynn in the comment section of this thread.


A Weekend to Forget

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 16, 2014

One thing I never bought into: that our best record in baseball meant that we were the best team in baseball.

Another thing I’m not buying into: that we are so bad that we could get swept by the Rockies at home.

The only thing I really care about is that this doesn’t end up creeping into the minds of the players. They’re saying all the right things. “That’s baseball.” “Turn the page.” All that jazz.

I hope they really mean what they say.

None of it changes the sick feeling that we all probably have. Those were 3 galling loses. A day off with the team heading to Chicago is not what I need right now……

Punched in the Face. Again.

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 15, 2014

Everyone needs to continue to not freak out. Look at the FACTS. Romo hadn’t blown a home save in….18 hours.

Pagan is patrolling center field the way a homeless, schizophrenic man from the pier might do so….

Last night, I wondered if there was something in his personal life going on that might be contributing to his recent stretch of bad play. I watched the interview he did with the softball tossing scribes and he couldn’t have seemed more at ease with everything. Maybe that’s the right way to publicly approach it, I don’t know.

Pagan said the ball spun strangely and I’ll take his word for it. But it sure didn’t seem to be hit hard enough, even spinning unpredictably, to get by him. Like so many of his recent routes lately, I think he just took the wrong angle from the start.

He had the chance to redeem himself in the bottom of the 9th, he scorched a ball that unfortunately was hit right to Rutledge. And I don’t care what the mysterious man in New York said, he was safe. Tie goes to the runner.

But hey, that’s baseball, right?


Romo Is The Man

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 14, 2014

Romo gas can’s the game and Flapper Nation mires in disrepair…..

While painful, I’m not really sweating that blown save. Henry Schulman pointed out (on Twitter) that Romo hadn’t blown a save at home in 11 months. For a closer, you take that all day long.

He then posted Romo’s career save percentage: 88.9%. For reference, the great Mariano Rivera will punch his first ballot HOF ticket with an 89.5% all time save percentage. All closers fuck up games in the career. If they fuck up a lot of games over a long career it probably means they were very good at closing (otherwise, they would not have had a long closing career, right?)

I think we are naturally a little biased against Romo and his frisbee slider. We think he’s gimmicky and are conditioned to want to see closers heaving gas with every pitch.

I was skeptical of Romo early in his career and certainly when he took over the closer job after Bee-Idiot got hurt. But he has more than proven himself to me. I trust him in any closer situation and, like him, want to see him out there sooner rather than later to put the ugly memory of last night behind us all as quickly as possible……

Remembering Matt Cain’s Perfecto…

Posted in Uncategorized by chipower9 on June 13, 2014

Two years ago today The Horse, Matt Cain, pitched the first perfect game in the entire 130 year history of the Giants baseball franchise, and only the 23rd (22nd at that time) perfect game in major league history.

I remember vividly sitting at my place in Diamond Springs with my son Zach as we watched the entire game. What a magic night in not only SF Giant baseball history, but in baseball history overall.

Here is a short video that encapsulates all 27 outs. Check out the catches by Cabrera in the 4th and 6th…not bad, but then check out Blanco’s dive for the first out in the 7th. It is nothing short of spectacular. And then Arias’ play at 3rd for the final out doesn’t come without just a little bit of torture.

Time to Dominate and Evan Gattis is a Boss

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 13, 2014

Really happy that Huddy stopped the bleeding yesterday. There were way too many “not since ’75 have the Giants…..” stats popping up on twitter.

It’s “feast time” as the Rockies leave the comforts of their lair and are forced to play at sea level. As long as Timmy throws the ball in the general direction of Buster Posey I think we take care of business tonight.

Did anyone see Evan Gattis get hit yesterday in the 9th inning of the Rockie/Braves game? Dude, Gattis is a man-child. He got hit but the ball took the brunt of that collision. He stuck his nose down and headed briskly to first base, he knew what was up. I’ll try to find the video of that.

and, here it is. Gattis gets hit near the end.

Getting Our Ass Handed to Us

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 12, 2014

These Nats are more than a little annoying. But there’s really not two ways to read this, they are kicking our ass, straight up. Outscoring us 17-6. And in our home park, that’s a little embarrassing. It could just be a bad stretch of games that all good (and bad) teams have over the course of 162. But it doesn’t seem to be a coincidence since it’s coming vs a team considered by many to be one of the top teams in the National League.

Today is a fairly big game. Getting swept at home in a 4 game series should not happen. We’ve got Huddy going up against someone named *Treinen*. So, we *steal* one, right?


Ugh, is hockey over yet? And now soccer is starting? Where’s the fast forward button?


Where were YOU 20 years ago today?

Random Wednesday Thoughts

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 11, 2014

Another disappointing loss to a team that seems to have our number. At least we don’t have to play them in oppressive Washington heat but even with conditions more to our delicate liking, we are having trouble with them. Cain? We’ll see……


If you want to see an unbelievable throw, check out Cespedes from last night:


Not sure how this has happened, but the Tampa Bay Rays have the worst record in baseball. With all the talent they have on that roster? Wither Maddon? How could that team have THE WORST record in baseball?


Got any random Wednesday thoughts you want to kick around?

Bob Welch

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 10, 2014

I was saddened to hear about the passing of Bob Welch. I always like him and that’s surprising since he played his entire career for the Dodgers and A’s. The 27 games he won in 1990 is burned into my brain for some reason. It seemed like a lot then and it’s almost inconceivable in today’s game. And it came in his 13th major league season. He never really did anything after that magical Cy Young year. Four seasons of mediocrity with his career finally ending in 1994.

Cause of death wasn’t announced, that’s usually not a very good sign. Ha, I guess any “cause of death” isn’t a good sign.

Anyway, sad.

Nats in Town

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 9, 2014

The Mets were cute but now a real team comes to town. Washington is hot right now although beating up on the punchless Padres is a little like, well, beating up on the bumbling Mets. Still, of you are a good team you take care of business against the bad teams and that’s what both the Giants and the Nats have been doing of late.

Strasburg vs Voggy tonight and it’s hard to be confident about this match up. But the way this season is going, we’ll probably win easily….

And I don’t believe that for a second.

Should be a fun series……


Chi posted a link to trade rumors involving Chase Utley. Of course, he would be the perfect fit in SF, the question would be the booty required to secure him. I don’t see Sabean pulling a big enough trigger to get an *Utley.* He’s a California boy though and he and his wife live in SF in the off season so you never know……


Morse Talk and Horse Talk

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 8, 2014

I’m hard pressed to remember a Giant who has ever more enjoyed being a Giant than this guy does right now:


The Mets are not very good. They bumbled the game away last night. But as Pagan said, you have to take advantage of your opponents mistakes. Advantage: Giants.


Regarding the Belmont Stakes yesterday: Kudos to DJ Loo who called out the owners as jackasses over a week ago. Yesterday, Coburn did a “slowburn” on national tv giving everyone a taste of what Loo had already told us about. People talk about winning all the time, how important it is, how great it feels. But one thing I learned at the youngest of ages was how to lose with dignity. Coburn and his cohorts showed they don’t know how to do that.

Did he have a point? Sort of, I guess. His trainer, Art Sherman, has been getting interviewed by Sam Spear every Sunday morning on KNBR for the last 12 weeks. I’ve caught most of those interviews and just 3 weeks ago Sherman was saying the same thing that Coburn said yesterday. Now, he didn’t say it in the loser way that Coburn did, but he was lamenting the fact that horses shouldn’t be allowed to skip certain triple crown races and target others. So I’m not sure if Sherman got it from Coburn or the other way around, but the connections for Chrome have been doing a slow burn about this for a while………

But here’s the deal, there are a lot of things about the triple crown I’d change before Coburn’s half-baked ideas. For starters, they should space the 3 races out to at least a month between each race. Maybe more than a month. I don’t want to hear about “history” and messing with “that’s always the way it’s been.” It has ALWAYS been irresponsible to force three year old still-developing horses to grind out 3 races in 5 weeks. It’s like asking a 12 year old to start lifting weights every day. Spacing the races out better would give the Derby winner (and/or the Preakness winner) adequate time to recover. I don’t have a problem with horses skipping races and looking for the best spots. If they’re laying in the weeds waiting for a vulnerable horse like Chrome, so be it. You can’t force a horse to run all three races, that’s ignoring the health of the horse and it’s the right of the owner and trainer to find the best race for each horse. Distance, location, current health and quality of opponent all factor into that. These animals only have so many bullets to fire in a career. If the connections for Tonalist thought the mile and a half Belmont was the best of the 3 races for them to try to win, that’s their right.

In summary, I see where Coburn is coming from, it’s a little unfair that a horse that doesn’t have the points to run in the Derby be allowed to run in the Belmont. But he looked like a loser ranting about it 5 seconds after he lost and the real issue is how these 3 races are stacked together, it’s not about the number of points a horse has or doesn’t have…..

San Francisco: Where Outfielders Go to Die

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 7, 2014

Here’s a look at our first 10 picks in the 2014 draft:


Only 5 pitchers drafted in the first 10 picks. This disappoints me. All 10 should be pitchers, at least in the first 10 rounds. Use the final 40 rounds (or whatever it is) to supply your minor league system with depth. It’s a little early, but I’m going to call out Dylan Davis as a total waste of a pick. Same with Seth Harrison and Austin Slater. If you’re an outfielder, and you get drafted by the Giants, you should be so bummed. All your hopes and dreams, dashed.

The Giants are either the unluckiest team in the world when it comes to drafting outfielders or they have no idea how to develop them. Or they have no idea how to identify outfield talent. It has to be one of the 3, maybe a combo of the three. The odds are nearly 100% that if you get drafted by SF as an outfielder, your career is over before it starts. I’m waiting for one of our drafted outfielders to immediately switch positions upon finding out he was drafted by the Giants. Go “Jason Lane” on them. Most of these guys pitched in Little League, why not find out if ya still got it?

Because if Sabean drafts you, and you are an outfielder, you don’t got it. You so don’t got it.

Tyler Beede, Come on Down!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 6, 2014

As all of you have heard, the Giants drafted Tyler Beede (RHP) out of Vanderbilt yesterday. Rather than give you his stats, here’s an interview he did with a hot Vandy girl. The free style rap at the end is pretty epic.



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