A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball

Our pitching staff continues to strengthen with the anticipated signing of Javier Lopez. We still have an obvious hole in left field and our bench. We need 4 reliable outfielders who can be seen as legitimate starting outfielders. We have 2. And if Pagan goes down again our offense will be stuck again. Blanco is a decent enough 4th, but I don’t want him in a platoon role……

I’m praying that Sabean pulls off a trade for a starting left fielder (or even starting center fielder who would slide Pagan to LF).

Who would you target in a trade, and what would you give up?

I like the signing, Huddy is a bridge to Crick et al (or just: Crick). Any 2 year deal is fantastic and it’s not our money so who cares how much they spend over 2 years? I’ve gotten several texts from my idiot A’s friends who’ve mocked the Lincecum and Huddy deals but they’re looking at this from a broken perspective. Every A’s fan looks at the dollar attached to the contract, regardless of the context. Newsflash: there’s so much money infused from the new tv deal that ANY team could increase their spending and still have dough left over. Even Beane could do this and he looks under the couch cushions at the office every night.

To win at the mlb level in today’s world you need to limit the long term deals. Sabean has finalized 2 FANTASTIC two 2 year deals so far this off season. I couldn’t be happier with these signings. Hopefully Voggy takes a pauper’s deal and he comes back as the #5. Or maybe he doesn’t, who cares, Sabean has brilliantly filled out the 3/4 and any team in either league would take Petit as a #5. And Gaudin is still gently grabbing titties in the ER to stay off the DL next year……

Huddy comes with some risk, that’s beyond obvious. He’s done ok at ATT: 52 innings, 3.81 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, .256 batting average against. But his ERAx was 97 last year, the lowest of his career, and that’s not very good—-that’s a number adjusted to his ballpark. 100 is the league average. He’s been well above 100 for most of his career.

But I am supporting this deal, as I did the Lincecum deal, and will stand up and admit I’m wrong if proven so. That rarely happens though……

El Presidente just signed a minor league deal with the Cubs. I hope Eli Whiteside thanks the baseball gods each and every night for the continued and ongoing gift bestowed by them of getting to play professional baseball year in and year out. He’s 34, including his world series shares from ’10 and ’12 he’s made close to 3 million dollars in his career. Plus all the meal money. 🙂 Still, the last time he hit over .200 at the mlb level was 2010. Last year he played for about 37 different organizations, ending with Texas for 67 games where he hit .187 at triple A. So of course it makes sense that Chicago offered him a contract….

Speaking of ex-Giants, the Refrigerator Mover, Randy Messenger, just re-signed with a team in Japan. He’s 34…..

*El Presidente* and *The Refrigerator Mover*— 2 of the great nicknames generated by Flap vets……

Not a fun afternoon of football if you’re a Niner fan. Pfffftttttt……

But it’s interesting how we transition from sport to sport, isn’t it? It would be beyond weird to watch a baseball game right now. Hockey doesn’t exist in my life and the NBA has really been a tough go for me to get into this year.

But football, NFL and NCAA, has been about exciting as it gets. I don’t gamble on games but the fantasy side of football is non-stop go-time. It almost made today’s Niner failure tolerable. Well, that’s the wrong word. Fantasy football *distracted* me from the Niner game? That’s better.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out why I’m allowed to gamble on fantasy sports and the horses legally, not to mention any lotto ticket I choose to partake in, but I’m not allowed to play poker online or bet on a football game. I guess it’s that W-2G thing that’s the hang up. If I ran the government, I’d tax cigs, alcohol and gambling winnings at 50%. And I’d allow any and all gambling on the internet. Tax the shit out of those 3 things. Whores too. Problem….still there. But, it would be a start.

Ok, thanks for listening.

I’m beyond tired on reading mlbtraderumors.com. It started out as an innovative site before twitter and everything else *caught up*, now it’s just a hodge-podge of tweets that are 90% fabrications and hopeful stabs that the first tweeter hopes he hits before anyone else. Anyone can make something up hoping it comes true one day. Anyway, not interested in the slightest in checking that site more than once a day, at most.

But I do enjoy their free agent prediction contest…..

I couldn’t figure out a way to do a poll that was easy to work with, at least as it related to Twin’s now deleted thread of all possible targets this off season. So I’m going to just do this:

and please, take into consideration what all these players will cost when you vote. Consider value. I’m not going to post what they all should/might get in free agency, it should be a ballpark this crew already knows…..

I’m fine with Sandoval’s decision to play Winter ball in Venezuela instead of work out under the “Giant” eye in Arizona. At some point, this guy has to grow up and take care of himself. And money motivates a lot of people so I would be inclined to believe that he’ll come to camp in shape and have a good year in 2014. If he can’t responsibly take care of his body with millions of dollars at stake then he’ll never be able to do it.

And I don’t care what he does next year, he could hit .400 with 75 hr’s, I would not want him back. Let another team commit to him for several years only to watch him balloon up again.

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MVP results not a huge surprise. I nailed the exacta last August 18th:

https://oneflapdown77.com/2013/08/18/yasiel-puig-mvp-lol/

Anniversary time:

10 years today, Sabes pulled of the reverse-coup: The AJ Trade. Here’s a great recap of the trade at the Hardball Times.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/10th-anniversary-the-a.j.-pierzynski-trade/

I just read that the Giants are *open* to trading for starting pitching which is a little like me saying I’m open to the idea of buying a 5 million dollar house as long as the owner is willing to take 10K for it. We are simply not good trading partners. Our most desirable (only?) trade chips that would/could bring anything mlb ready/coveted are Panda, Belt, Romo and Crick. And while I would jizz in my pants if I hear that we traded Crick et al for David Price, I’m not holding my breath. Sabes don’t roll that way. Panda’s stock is low and trading Belt just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless someone sends us something of huge value and I just don’t think the market is that for Belt. Of course, I’d be happy to be proven wrong. And Romo, clearly a top 7 or 8 MLB closer, is still a closer and it’s rare that a top closer ends up getting traded.  I think most teams are of the opinion that you can plug a lot of guys into the closer role so why pay for it?

So I am not optimistic that a trade for a mlb ready starting pitcher is forthcoming—there are just too many other teams who have the same need who will pay more than we will.

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PET PEEVE–NON BASEBALL VARIETY: I am sick to death of football players using the excuse of “we just failed to execute” as the reason for losing. You mean you failed to execute those plays you ran in practice at half speed sometimes without contact? Shocking that it didn’t go down in the game like it went down in practice! Just call it like it is: you either got beat by a better team, or luck or a better game plan or better scheme. Those are the only reasons. “Failing to execute” is the puss-way out of answering a question from the press. And no one *pusses* his way out more often than our own Colin Kaepernick. Same with Harbs. As far as their interviews go, I’ve got no use for either of them……

But the Niners will be fine as soon as they find some legit NFL receivers. We don’t have a single guy who can consistently beat a cornerback 1:1 (especially deep). Our one long threat chance yesterday (a perfect throw from Kap that was dropped by *rookie*) went to a tight end. If sending the slow, white tight end deep is your deep threat, the rest of the receivers should just quit the game………

I’m not sure how many of you did the mlbtraderumors contest but here are my top 12 (there are 50 but I couldn’t snip all of them so I just went top 12):

I recognize there’s some redundancy with Tanaka and Garza going to the Art Dealers but this is a very difficult contest so any hit counts like gold. Last year’s winner got like 19 right (something like that).

#11 is more of a dream of mine than anything that will likely happen……

I admit to not understanding all the in’s and out’s of the posting fee and the exclusive rights to negotiate with a Japanese baseball player. But wouldn’t it make sense for the Giants to try to win the posting fee at the very least? Then if they can’t come to an agreement with Tanaka at least he doesn’t end up with the Art Dealers. It would be like putting in a claim for a player just to block him from going to another contender.

And I don’t want Tanaka, I think the risk is far too great for what the cost would be.

But I also don’t want to see him playing for Lower California.

Thoughts?

I still haven’t locked in my picks at mlbtraderumors.com for where I think their Top 50 free agents will land.  I was scanning the list just now and man, that’s an underwhelming list. Especially the top 10. I don’t find a player that I would truly want on the Giants (considering how much they will cost) until I hit Ubaldo at #11. After that I don’t see another name of interest until Nolasco at #20. Hart and #39 or McClouth at #41 wouldn’t have me doing a slow burn. I could see either, on the cheap, working out in the outfield for us.

Truth is, I can’t stand free agency. The players hired almost never match their production to what you are paying them. I still am blown away that 17 of the St Louis Cardinals in the World Series this year made under 600K. Of course, they lost so I guess all that tells me is that they had too many of those guys. Ha. Kidding, of course.

Anyway, here’s the list again:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/2014-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions-1.html

The bullying situation in Miami has to be an isolated incident, right? Or is this what goes on in other NFL locker rooms? You can argue that it’s too absurd to happen in other NFL locker rooms but everyone knows that Bounty-Gate wasn’t just about the Saints. That stuff happens in all locker rooms to this day.

Here’s an example of what this POS Incognito said to Martin in a voice mail:

And I don’t want to hear about this being football and it’s just hazing, and how NFL locker rooms are different than other work places. This is a fucking work place and Martin has to put up with this type of bullshit? No way. And all the dopes calling into KNBR saying he should have fought Incognito, even if he lost, to protect his reputation need to go back to prison where they came from. The rest of us will live in society……

The Dolphins had this cretin on a 6 player leadership committee. So either the Miami coach is totally clueless with no feel for the dynamics of his team or he’s a disgusting human who supported this type of behavior. Putting him on a leadership committee? 

And is there a bigger piece of shit pussy than a bully who calls out a guy half his weight in a twitter rant? Answer: there isn’t.

Here’s some past *weirdo* stuff tweeted out by Incognito about Martin:

http://extramustard.si.com/2013/11/04/richie-incognitos-twitter-history-with-jonathan-martin/

Anyway, “Meathead” doesn’t begin to describe this stupid fuck.

This contest is put on by mlbtraderumors.com and promises to pale in comparison to the one Twin put on. Anyway, it’ll kill some time if that’s what you’re looking for. The goal of the contest is to predict where their top 50 free agents will go. I think I got 12 correct last year. The winner got 20. It’s hard to do. And you have to have a facebook account.

Here’s the link:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014freeagentcontest

There are prizes, I don’t know what they are.

Breeder’s Cup Day. My favorite day of all the days. 9 races. Impossible to handicap. But quickly, for those interested, I will release my top longshot picks for each race. And by *longshot* I mean *the best value I could find to hit the tri or the super*. Any of them could win. Most will finish in the bottom rungs of the exotics. Or up the track. Hopefully not in a van. 🙂 🙂 🙂

4th: Ria Antonia and Concave

5th: Dank to win. Emmolient and Kittens Dumpling underneath. Maybe to win.

6th: Dance to Bristol. Great Hot for 3rd or 4th. Sweet Lulu just cause the ‘Dorf doesn’t run them “just because”

7th: Jeranimo. Dimension. One of the hardest races on the card, IMO

8th: another impossible race. New Year’s Day and Medal Count. There will be others.

9th: Magician. Hate Little Mike. This bold claim ensures him a winners circle appearance.

10th: Justin Philip, Gentlemen’s Bet, Fast Bullet, Laugh track

10th: Silentio and Bright Thought. Wise Dan is a beast though.

11th: Declaration of War. Will Take Charge. Paynter.

Of course, there will be a bevy of fine steeds surrounding all these great animals on all the tickets.

Good luck to you if you’re playing.

Congrats to Denny for winning the PC and for showing back up at the blog after being gone for a year+ to thank Twin for the contest and the prize.

Congrats to my main man BirdDog for winning 2nd place and snagging the turntable with software that allows you to convert vinyl records to digital.

And congrats to the St Louis Cardinals for sending The Art Dealers back to their usual spot in front of the tv for the World Series. Twenty Five years and counting…..

I haven’t spent much time on this World Series. Taping it. Fast forwarding through it. Man, baseball is not a game to watch with an ff button at the ready. It’s like an addiction. At first you’re just skipping the commercials. Then you run it a little too far into the first at bat of the inning. Then you want to see Big Papi bat so you’re skipping through entire innings…..

Anyway, I might start watching it live—at least the 9th innings. The last 2 ended predictably, right? Just when you think the baseball gods are shining down upon the Cardinals, and there was no other way to think after The MIddlebrooks Obstruction, along comes The Wonger and he does his best imitation of a dumbsh!t.

So now I don’t know what the baseball gods are planning. I guess I’ll have to go *old school* and watch it live.

Winner is Carlos Beltran.

“Beltran continued to operate the Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy in Puerto Rico — which he established in 2011 with $3 million of his own money. The Academy offers high-quality education and athletic experiences for youth that otherwise wouldn’t get those opportunities. He even flew back this past summer on an off-day to congratulate the first graduating class.

That isn’t all, though. Beltran also raised $160,000 for the Carlos Beltran Foundation with his Night in Old San Juan Gala. The Foundation gives money to local St. Louis charities and helps to continue to fund the Academy. He also has a “Beltran’s Buddies” program to benefit underprivileged youth in the St. Louis area.

The first winner of the award in 1971 was Willie Mays — at the time it was called the Commissioner’s Award. In 1973, the award renamed to honor Clemente. Clayton Kershaw won the award last season. Some other past winners include David Ortiz, Derek Jeter and Albert Pujols. A litany of Hall of Famers have also won.”

i said i had some surprises in store. so here’s the scoop- i have 4 consolation prizes up for grabs. i thought about it and it’s always seemed unfair that people who are lousy at things get nothing but scorn for their pathetic stabs at competence. the guy who couldn’t spell ‘cat’ if you spotted him the ‘c’ and the ‘t’, the woman who submitted this at the ‘pillsbury bake-off’

you get the idea. well, this is for the contestants who demonstrated with varying degrees of ineptitude that they will never be nicknamed ‘( insert first name) the greek”. without further ado, the first prize in the “Race to Save Face” is a logitech washable usb keyboard– i have one of these, and they’re great, and yes, you really can wash it.

two Kingston Digital 8 GB USB 2.0 Hi-speed Datatraveler Flash Drives will be the next prizes. you all know what flash drives are- these 8 gb drives are great for sharing porn with your degenerate pals- what’s more disgustingly delightful than a senior citizen’s game of ‘limp biscuit’…
the final prize is a mystery prize. note- you’ll want to make sure you have a roof that can support 2.2 tons. you might to hire a structural engineer. our drivers and lift operators will always have your family’s safety in mind. since the unfortunate accident that we had NO WAY TO ANTICIPATE , the prize will not be situated above the children’s bedroom.

the race will be conducted in stages, the keyboard will be awarded after game 3, october 26 in st. louis. contestants will pick the runs scored by both teams. tie breaker will be total hits from both teams. this is open to all contestants with ‘none chance’ to win. it’s up to the contestant to determine if he has a chance. by entering the contest for the keyboard, you are not eligible for the two top prizes. those contestants who did not send in picks for the world series are also welcome to compete for the consolation prizes.
email your picks by game time october 26 to
michael.scott2@mchsi.com

Here are the picks for the World Series. Good luck to the contenders and a thank you to all for embracing the contest and making it so enjoyable for me to host the competition. and special thanks to craig for giving me the reins after he set up what has become a very exciting race with 7 of the 20 original contestants still in the running for the prizes. and lest the ‘losers’ think it’s over- i still have some surprises in store.

the contenders, current total in parentheses:
salty (9) cards in 6-33
rooster(9) cardinals in 6- 36
denny(9)- sox in 6- 49
chi (8)- sox in 7-58
birddog (8)-boston in 6 -37
chuck(7) -boston in 6- 33
macdog (7)-cards in 7- 47

the also rans, fighting for bragging rights as the best of the rest.
blade (5)- boston in 6- 55
kevin (5)-cards in 6 -26
kat (5)-boston in 5-30
sandawg(3) -boston in 6-49
wilcojoe(4)- cardinals in 7-72
pawlie(2)- sox in 7

lurking on the sidelines, hoping for a sandwich pick:
boxhead, sportsdude,flavor, wes,manny,winder, snarkk

Someone once told me that “Aloha” means goodbye and hello. That always always sounded stupid to me. Today it’s my way of disguising my “good bye” thread from yesterday.

And when I said “10% chance he’d return” I’d like to point out that I qualified that with “I didn’t spend a lot of math time computing that percentage.” Plus, I’m not very good at math. Still, my take on this is that 10% ain’t such bad odds as they used to be……

But seriously, this is a good deal for both sides. Timmy gets 35 more million dollars after spending 2 years being one of the worst starting pitchers in either league. And relax, I said “the last 2 years”. And I’m right, he’s in the bottom 10% of qualified starting pitchers, easily. Uh oh, there’s that 10% thing again……. But hey, no one ever contended that free agent pitchers get paid for what they’re gonna do, they get paid for what they did on the back of their baseball card. And Timmy’s card looks good if you read the whole thing……..

And I’ve bought into the Koolade that he is starting to change his approach to pitching, doing more research on hitters and hopefully developing his specialty pitches. His K’s are still there, the talent is still there. Once you display a skill, you own it for life. I truly believe that so I have to take the positive take on Timmy’s next chapter as a major league pitcher.

And 2 years is perfect. If I was a GM every single deal I’d do would be 2 years. Love the length of the deal……..

Just a super quick Lincecum post before the ‘series starts Wednesday….

I see almost no possibility that he signs in SF. “No possibility” is probably too strong. I’ll go with 10% that he returns. I didn’t spend a lot of math time on computing that percentage. Here are my non-math reasons why:

1) Timmy is turning 30 next season, and while he’s definitely heading into what should be his mega contract free agent bonanza, he’s not exactly storming it with a yoked resume. We all know about his hideous ERA the last 2 seasons. His W/L record has always been abysmal for someone who boasts 2 Cy Young’s. But the biggie is that he just hasn’t found a pitch to replace his weakening fastball. What he doesn’t know (and what Ubaldo Jimenez figured out before he did) is that he needs a new approach to pitching, not a new pitch. The point of #1: this one’s actually a *support* for him re-signing. Pitchers staggering into free agency shouldn’t get monster deals. And yet those 2 CY Young’s are like liquid Meth for most MLB Gm’s. The reality…..

2) ….teams are starved for pitching. But they’re even more starved for PR moves that sell tickets. Tim Lincecum is still a rockstar, even minus the cropped dome. He’ll sell tickets and jerseys as he has continued to do with the Giants over the last 2 uninspiring years. Someone will throw 4 years/54 million at him. Book it. The Point of #2: The Giants won’t be that team.

3) He’s made around 60 million dollars in his career. He’s single, and by all accounts he’s a down to earth dude who doesn’t have a burning need to go build a monster palace next to Jeter in Florida (ha, go check that thing out some day when you’re bored). Timmy doesn’t need to accept the qualifying offer in order to parlay the value of a monster 2014 into an even more monster multi year deal. He can easily accept a 4 year/54 million dollar deal that will put his career earnings over 100 million and will guarantee him security for life, as well as the multiple as-yet-unidentified generations he will hand his fortune over to after he’s gone. The point of #3: He’s accepting reality that he’s no longer a CY guy, There’s no reason to accept the qualifying offer and risk another average year. That will only torpedo the 4yr/54 million dollar deal that he could get now. If he has a third underwhelming season in a row he’d be now looking at like a 2 year/16 million dollar deal going into 2015 and he can do that math easily in his head…….

4) and that makes this an easy call, he’s taking the 4 year deal that’s coming from someone other than the Giants this Winter………..

team stats regular season ( just some basic ones)
the cards, nl- 1st in offense, 5th in pitching, tied 1st in defense
red sox, al- 1st in offense, 6th in pitching, 5th in defense

boston
starting pitching- boston 3.84 era .247 baa 109 hr
relief pitching -boston 3.70 era .250 baa 47 hr
hitting boston-.277 ba .349 obp .795 ops 178 hr

st. louis–
starting pitching 3.42 era .250 baa 76 hr
relief pitching 3.45 era .247 baa 36 hr
hitting .269 ba .322 obp .733 ops 125 hr
st. louis home and road- 54-27 and 43-38, boston home and road 53-28 and 44-37

for more detailed team stats, hardball talk has more:
http://tinyurl.com/klg29o8

who has the big edges?
offense: boston- drew over kozma, ellsbury over jay, dh- if craig can go, ortiz has a slight edge, overwise it’s a huge boston edge
cards- holliday over gomez/nava, molina over ‘saltimbocca’, beltran over victorino- but not as big as their reps might indicate, beltran has the power edge and a great arm. victorino is a better overall defender and the baserunning edge. both were .290s batting averages.
starting pitching- Starting pitching: adam wainwright, michael wacha, joe kelly, lance lynn vs. jon lester, john lackey, clay buchholz, jake peavy
edge- even. most pick st. louis here and that will be the case if wacha pitches as he has. but he’s not *that* good. and kelly is very hittable. i like bucholtz to have a big series. wainwright/lester i see as a push. the key guys who can swing this either way are wacha and lackey, imo.
pen- closers- uehara over rosenthal- they can’t hit uehara and he doesn’t walk ’em 0.565 whip. that’s half a batter per inning, where’s eddie?
rosenthal is top notch but has limited closer experience. 1.102 whip- 1 batter on per inning. whip means a lot with these two.
pen total. both pens have been nearly unhittable in the postseason. st. louis .177 baa 0.84 whip boston .209 baa 1.06 whip

my take- st. louis in 7. and that home field will be big in this series. these are very evenly matched teams across the board. boston has a large edge in power, and the best closer. st louis has the better defense and better middle relief. and key edges with holliday, beltran, molina.
series mvp- yadier molina
series surprise- xander bogearts

The 2 teams with the best records are facing off in the 2013 World Series and that doesn’t happen too often anymore. Once again, the two highest payroll teams will not be facing off in the World Series.  Arguably the 3 best offenses (Boston, Detroit and St Louis) were in both Championship Series. Due to that, the pitching has to be considered MORE outrageous than it appeared to be. Seven of the 10 playoff teams had team playoff ERA’s of 3.63 or less. That’s absurd. For Detroit to have a 2.81 team ERA with that horrendous bullpen speaks loudly to how dominant their starting pitching was this post season….

And with that, I bid you adieu for a few days. Twin will take over the Monday thread with his contest details. Please forward all picks to him (not me). His email address is

michael.scott2@mchsi.com

i realized this afternoon that we didn’t really spent the proper amount of time celebrating The Art Dealer’s demise in yet another season with someone else winning the World Series. 

I never would admit it, but all that “no WS wins in SF” shit did bother me as a fan. After we won 2010 I could give less than a turd about that angle. And after 2012….what’s less than a turd? 

I said it at the time, I could care less about franchise series wins. I don’t think i’d really even care about SF series wins had we won any before I was born. I’m old enough now not to count other fans, older fans, flags that fly. By now I’m far more concerned with the ones I earned as a fan….

So that’s why I LQTM at all the a Dodger fans who were born post ’85 or so. Maybe even a year or two earlier. Ya gotta be old enough to remember watching it. Think about it, most Dodger fans who are 30 or so have no concept of what it feels like to be a fan of a World Series champion. And I freaking love that….

………At least the one I had about signing Abreu and then trading Belt, Crick and Romo for David Price. The White Sox gave Abreu 6 years/68 million. That was pretty close to my guess of 5 years/60 million. You knew he was going to get more than Puig based off his success in LA and the number of teams competing for Abreu. Sabean abhors competition ever since Boras hoodwinked him into an extra 30 million or so on Zito’s deal  so I didn’t really think we had a legitimate chance of signing him. But dreaming about it wasn’t too far fetched.

Whatever, he’s much better suited for the American League anyway. He can DH as his girth grows. And getting bigger is a realistic concern for a guy who’s weight is already bumping up against the brink of acceptability.

And, with a GM who doesn’t want to part with prospects of value I think there’s no chance we would ever see Sabean offer up the likely 3 top prospects that it will take to get Price.

So, I guess it’s time for a new dream……

What would a package of Arias, Affeldt, Villalona, Pill, Linden and Monell net us? You know that’s a puzzle that Sabean is trying to put together…..

The Cardinals might not say it out loud, but Game 5 was a near must-win for them. It was only a year ago that it was a must-win for them. But Barry Zito had other ideas and pitched the game of his life to send the series back to SF where it ultimately ended with manager Mike Matheny drenched in the downpour muttering to himself on the top of the dugout steps…

And while the weather might be better in St Louis than it was in San Francisco in 2012, he could easily find himself in the exact same situation at the end of this series (albeit, dryer).

By not getting the job done yesterday, now they have to face Kershaw and that “W” is already in the bank. So now they’re knotted at 3-3 and every single member of that organization as well as their unified, massive legion of fans will be thinking one collective thing: “Uh oh, not again….”

They’ll play tight in Game 7 trying to avoid losing instead of trying to win and the shadow of last season’s playoff meltdown will haunt them all the way to yet another blown 3-1 series lead.

This sucks, the freaking Art Dealers are going back to the World Series.

I’m not updating the standings since we still have 2 undecided results, but if St Louis holds sway it’s going to tighten up the standings big time. All three of the players in the top 3 spots took The Art Dealers. Several of the villagers took the Cards in 6, but nobody took them in 5. ChiPower could really use the Tigers to win in 7. And right now, Denny with the Cards in 6/Red Sox in 6 is poised for the biggest boldest move so far in the contest. If that happens, we’ll have 5 guys with a legit shot at the top prize going into the world series.

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Contest NOTE:

Flavor said, on October 16, 2013 at 10:58 am (Edit)

Contestants: Please make sure you guys send all your remaining picks to Michael. Do not email me them anymore. Thanks. Craig His email is michael.scott2@mchsi.com

Ugh, I used the same headline when we were on the cusp of the 2010 championship. And while this doesn’t have the same energy or emotion to it, I am greatly looking forward to the Cardinals knocking out the Art Dealers from the 2013 playoffs. Sure, it’s a petty victory. But I’ll be chalking this one up as a W for our side.

First Question: If Puke flips his bat 30 feet in the air when he hits a triple, how far does he throw it when he hits a home run? 20 rows into the lower box seats? Next year is gonna be fun. This clown’s ribs are gonna take a beating in 2014.

Second Question: When did baseball teams decide to just stop scoring runs?

Third Question: Where has fanduel.com been all my life? Me likey…..

Having zero emotional interest in either of the remaining AL teams, I’m struggling to rank the context of last night’s grand slam by David Ortiz in the overall history of baseball. That has to rank as one of the top, if not THE top, post season moments ever. And if Torii Hunter, one of the best guys in the game, makes that near impossible catch, would that count as the best catch in post season history? With apologies to Mr. Mays, I think it would be a legitimate question.

And here’s another question: if he DOES make that catch and still tumbles over the wall, is it an out or a home run? I think there’s a rule that you have to come back to the field with the ball so if he threw it back into the field of play from the dugout it wouldn’t count as an out. I’m not sure of this though. There was a similar play that happened 20 years ago at Fenway with Jay Buhner (I think)……..Just went and checked youtube. Here it is:

And the cop celebrating wildly in the background will be an imagine that will crystalize this as an iconic moment in post season history.

Anyway, you don’t have to be a Red Sox fan to get goose bumps watching that play…..

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Zito’s ad in The Chronicle:

I hate 2 college teams (USC and Cal), 2 footballs teams (Denver and Dallas) and 2 baseball teams (St Louis and The Art Dealers)….

So imagine my conundrum when the 2013 NLCS hit my screen tonight.

I actually think that if you put a cattle prod to my backside I’d admit that I hate the Cardinals more than The Art Dealers. Hating the ‘Artists is ingrained into my DNA. But that hatred has sustained itself mostly because of DNA, not recent history. For me, I hate players like Ron Cey, Don Sutton, Steve Garvey, Steve Sax, Davey Lopes, Bill Russell, Mickey Hatcher (yes, hated him), Orel GoFuckYourself, etc….. Even hearing the name “Ken Landreaux” pisses me off…..

But hearing the name “Steve Finley” doesn’t make my blood boil. It should, it just doesn’t. Same goes for *Adrian Gonzalez*. Or “Puig”. But I have quietly enjoyed his 0-10 with 6k’s this series…..

The St Louis Cardinals? That hate is real. It’s earned. The video of Will the Thrill getting blind sided by Ozzie Smith and Jose Oquendo (starting with a pussy short kick to the gut and a slap to the head and ending with wild hay maker misses) is the reason I will always love Candy Maldonado and his teammates more than the back of their baseball cards could ever make me love them….And I have actively talked shit to Jose Oquendo every single time I’ve seen him at a game. And I will do so whenever I see that fuck in person.

And now the Art Dealers and the Cardinals are playing each other. No possible good outcome, right?.

Yet….one has surfaced. I l just found out that I love any team that is beating the Art Dealers. It’s been a million years since I’ve cared, they haven’t won the World Series since I was in high school. And then we won 2 in three. And now that their owners have decided to dabble in an expensive hobby, it’s time that I start paying attention to them again because none of us want to start seeing The Art Dealers hoist a World Series trophy any time soon or in any future.

Hey, they can admire those old, dusty ones all they want. But “flags fly forever” is a lot more powerful when they’re actually flying freely instead of being stuck to a flag pole with a bunch of gunked up chemical aftermath of 50 years of dense smog….That one counts as do their other ones, just not as much as our *two in 3*. Nothing is more important than the most recent. In anything.

So yeah, I am super stoked that those Cardinal jackasses just took a 2-0 lead on those Art Dealin’ Pussy Fucks……

With the NLCS in process, I’m now going to release everyone’s picks for this round. I don’t have picks for Kevin but if he sent them to Twin before first pitch tonight or I somehow missed them in my inbox I will happily update this. Thanks to everyone for sending in both their picks, it’s a better thread if I can publicly post both Pennant winner picks. At this point, the game becomes very strategic. Let’s see who’s up for the challenge of this new, more difficult round. Note: The odds I set came out of my brain, they were not mathematically calculated……

Two Dudes Better Than You or Me:

Salty (8): Art Dealers in 6/Red Sox in 7

ChiPower(8): Art Dealers in 7/Tigers in 7

Odds of the Winning: 8-5

The Fuckin’ Dodger Fan: 

Rooster(7): Art Dealers in 6/Red Sox in 6

odds of winning: 3-1

Still in This From a Sneaky Spot: 

Bird Dog(6): Art Dealers in 5/Red Sox in 6

Odds of winning: 5-1

Long Shot Material: 

MacDog(5): Cards in 7/Red Sox in 4

Denny(5): Cards in 6/Red Sox in 6

Odds of winning: 15-1

Mathematically Still Alive: 

BoxHead(4): Ar Dealers in 4/Red Sox in 4

UncaChuck(4): Cards in 6/Red Sox in 7

SportsDude(4): Art Dealers in 6/Red Sox in 7

odds of winning: 26-1

On Life Support: 

WesFromRoseville!(3): Art Dealers 6/Red Sox 5

WilcoJoe(3): Cards in 7/Tigers in 7

Kevin(3): Cards in 6/Tigers in 7

AlleyKat(3)Cards in 6/Tigers in 6

Flat lining: 

Manny(2) Cards in 7/Tigers in 6

Pawlie(2): Art Dealers in 6/Tigers in 6

Winder(2): Art Dealers/Red Sox (he’s still taking the sneaky approach of not submitting # of games it takes to win. We’ll see if this rogue approach rewards him in the end)

Blade(2): Cards in 7/Red Sox in 6

Flavor(2): Cards in 6/Red Sox in 5

Two Corpses Getting Skull Fucked by a Group of Necrophiliacs: 

Snarkk(1): Art Dealers in 5/Red Sox in 6

San DiggityDawg(1): Cards in 6/Tigers in 6

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Did he or didn’t he?

LA/St. Louis begins tonight at 5:30. Detroit/Boston starts Sat at 5pm. I would REALLY like to release everyone’s picks in the next thread but I can’t do that unless you send me picks for BOTH of these series. But the only one you are required to send me is the pick for today. Remember, they play 7 game series from here on out. Please factor that into your prediction for “# of games won in”. There are 4 points up for grabs in these 2 championship series….

The Standings (and if I missed someone, let me know):

Salty:                           8 points

ChiPower:                  8 points

Rooster:                      7 points

BirdDog:                     6 points

Denny:                         5 points

MacDog:                      5 points

BoxHead:                   4 points

UncaChuck:                4 points

SportsDude:                4 points

WesfromRoseville(!): 3 points

WilcoJoe:                       3points:

Kevin:                             3 points

AllyKat:                           3 points

Manny:                           2 points

Pawlie:                             2 points

Winder:                           2 points

Blade:                              2 points

Flavor:                             2 points

SanDiggityDawg:          1 point

Snarkk:                            1 point

Of course, that’s just *the dream*. But after I saw a few weird tweets last night at 2am about the Giants being the *front runners* to land Jose Abreu my mind started wandering towards hot stove fantasies.

Chapter 1 of *the dream*: The Giants sign Abreu, probably overpaying but whatever. This is a guy who could realistically be compared to a right handed Ryan Howard.  I haven’t researched this for a second, but let’s say the Giants land him with a 5 year/60 million dollar deal. He’ll get more than Cespy and Puke mostly because of their success at the mlb level and the fact that Abreu comes with a good deal of hype.  I have no idea what Abreu will get but if he costs more or less, I’m all for it.

Now we have a legit power hitting first baseman who we can plug into the clean up spot.

Chapter 2 of *the dream*:  The Giants trade Brandon Belt, Kyle Crick and Sergio Romo for David Price. Now please don’t tell me this is an overpay. This is what Price will cost and possibly more if all the Rays want are 3 top prospects, which is likely (and we simply don’t have 3 top prospects to pay for Price). But this trade gives them an upgrade replacement for Loney at 1B (he’ll leave for a multi year deal like all their 1-year wonders do), a HUGE upgrade at closer, and another top pitching prospect that the Rays love to stockpile.

Chapter 3 of *the dream*: David Price becomes our ace, Abreu hits 44 bombs in 2014 and we win “3 in Five”.

Thoughts?

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update: opening mail and just discovered Twin’s Andres Torres signed pic that he sent me. Here it is. Rad.

Tough times for Fredi Gonzalez in Atlanta right now. He’s got the second coming of Mariano Rivera greased and ready in the bullpen and all Kimbrel can do is pace around the bullpen with a ball in his glove. In an elimination game, Gonzalez had a decision to make: use the best closer in the game for a 2 inning save or just keep everyone in their *role* and do what his book tells him to do.

Kimbrel had pitched once in the playoffs, a 1.1 inning save last Friday night in Atlanta. He was needed to come in and relieve an ineffective David Carpenter, the same pitcher Gonzalez had pitching the 8th inning last night. Kimbrel had pitched exactly 3.1 innings in the last 13 days. He was hardly overworked. Last night, as he stood in the bullpen with his hands on his hips waiting for a call that never came, he looked like a man begging to work.

Carpenter had a very nice year for the Braves but he’s no Craig Kimbrel. And with everything on the line, you don’t leave it up to David Carpenter et al. You bring in The Great Kimbrel…

Of course, if you have read Baseball’s Starry Night, you’ll know that not even The Great Kimbrel is immune to failure.

Sadly, the Dodgers have moved on to the NLCS–a round I thought they’d all be watching on tv. So far, this post season sucks.

Yesterday, the birthday trip got started late, so we only got to Napa and stayed there all day – no Sonoma visit.   The wine country is glorious as October arrives, yesterday particularly so with temps in the low 80s.  Now, the white wine grapes are pretty much picked, pressed, and already working hard on their primary fermentation in steel tanks.   So, it’s center stage for the reds.  With the grape leaves starting to turn color in earnest, and some dropping, there is increasing space in between the branches.  So, in the soft afternoon sunlight, the globs of dark, purple berries of Cabernet and Zin and Syrah pop even more against the gnarled vines and rusty leaves.

The beautiful berries stand out so much it reminds of schoolyard days choosing sides to play ball — pick me, pick me! — nobody wants to be left hanging.  The best want to be picked for the estate bottling, or the vineyard designation bottlings that bring top dollar.  The second picking is for the 2^nd line Cabs, the vineyards blend, and I imagine were the grapes animated, there’s less pride in that.   But, for me the wine lover, there’s plenty of love to go around at most price points.

Like us yesterday, when you visit wine country during the crush, you must pick a few grapes off the different vines and taste them.  There is no comparison between the taste of ready-to-pick red wine grapes with table grapes – the sweet, succulent flavor of the former, working their way to the winemaker’s perfect brix, is a tantalizing indication of what is to be to poured in a few years, after gently relaxing in the arms of French and American oak.

The only downside this time of year is the popularity of Napa.  The beauty, the hum of activity, the buzz of anticipation, is not lost on the wider population.  It attracts people from all over.  We talked to several couples from Texas — they must not agree with Rick Perry that our state sucks.   The main roads were jammed — with Maseratis to clunkers.  Tasting rooms full of chatter and jostle.   Cash registers ringing up their digital proceeds with alacrity.  The romanticism of the wine business that you can still experience in the smaller and family run wineries off the beaten path seems particularly shoved aside in the big producers near the main roads this time of year.   Sonoma and Mendocino, less so.  Mrs. snarkk and I remember the early days of “us” getting wine poured from Mike Grgich himself at his eponymous winery’s tasting room — for free.  Nowadays, its $15 a flight for the “regular” wines in many of the wineries.  And, unlike days of not too long past when a meager tasting fee would be waived if you bought a bottle, now in many of the places the tasting fee is just an ante that you wager to get into the game — it’s ADDED to the price of any bottles you buy.

We hit Girard in Yountville first, it has only a tasting room there.   Top end reds are its focus.  The winemaker guides and consults at several wineries.  We’re in its wine club, which has its privileges, and it should, when it comes to the “free” tastings for members.   After tasting a few choices out of the regular and top flights, the servers pulled out for us two 2005 cabs from the winemaker’s own private label, which he doesn’t make anymore.  They’re good at pulling out the “secret” stuff, that only you (well, you and all the other members) get.  One from Mt. Veeder, one from Diamond Mountain,  essentially from the West and East sides of the valley, respectively.  Best wines of the day, fantastic.  The mountain wines always have more character, because the grape vines are stressed to grow in a tougher environment than down in the valley proper.  I liked the Mt. Veeder, drinking well now, almost like a svelte 2^nd growth Bordeaux, with the wet sock nose mimic, too.  Mrs. snarkk preferred the Diamond Mountain, still with a big backbone typical of Cabs from that appellation, a mere youngster, a pre-teen, with much developing to do in the coming years.

There in the tasting room, the Giants as sub-theme first inserted itself into the day, between the chatter about “nice nose”, “great legs” and “ooh, hints of blackberry and chocolate”.  We talked to a Walnut Creek couple who participated in Girard’s annual SF Giants day, just a few weeks back.   One day per year, you can take a bus with other wine lovers from its tasting room to and from ATT.   Wine flows during the trip down and back, with a ticket to the game and somehow, food included.   They said they had a great time.   Hell, if Voggy gets bombed, who cares?  Now, that’s my kind of wine tour.

Anyway, other places we visited were Cosentino, Trefethen, and Clos du Val.   I like to mix going to one or two places I know with some I’ve never been before – it’s not a total crapshoot, but still fun.  The first two I’d certainly heard of, but new to me to visit and taste and though fine, not much to write home about.   Cosentino was pushing a Chardonnay from the Russian River vineyard supposedly that supplied the Chard that won the famous 1976 Paris wine competition.  For a C-note per bottle.  For Chard?  And, with whites, likely not the same vines, maybe not even the same clones as nearly 40 years ago.   Uh, non.  You can get 5 bottles of really good Chard, 4 of super good, for that, elsewhere.    I’ve been to Clos du Val several times – pretty good reds.

With the afternoon sun and my sobriety sinking, we gave up the wine tasting and made our usual pilgrimage to the Napa Valley Olive Oil Co., a little shack of a store a couple hundred yards off Highway 12 and near Tra Vigne in St. Helena.  http://tinyurl.com/jvlhf6b   You’ll find hanging salamis, home cured olives, cheeses, all manner of canned fish and shellfish, and a cornucopia of Italian prepared and canned foods, sauces and dry pastas that you won’t find elsewhere.  The cashier rings up the total – in his/her head, or on a piece of paper.  The bill always comes out to a whole dollar number.  Cash and check, no plastic.  Oh, and local pressed olive oil by the half gallon bottle, too.   We got ours.  This is the way Napa used to be —  a throwback.  For mossbacks like me, it’s a slice of heaven.

After depleting the checking account in exchange for mass quantities of pasta and olive oil and salami, time for dinner.  We went over to the nearby place Oracle recommended, Cindy’s Backstreet Kitchen, in St.Helena.  (BTW, kudos to Oracle for the recommendation).  As it was only around 5:30, we were taken right in to a nice table not too far from the entrance and maitre’d stand.   Very nice menu.   For appetizers, we had a ration of mussels in a light coconut and curry combo broth – tasty good.  Plus, some baked oysters in shell with a Parmesan and parsley cover – yummy.   Mrs. snarkk is on a vegetarian kick the last 6 weeks, so for entrée she had the mushroom and polenta tamale – sounds weird, but fantastic.  I had the anticipated Hanger steak – tasty and very nicely prepared with yams and yellow sweet potatoes adding a sweet, fall complement to the savory tone of the meat.

Early on, as I was slurping my first oyster, I happened to glance over to the maitre’d table.  Again, the Giants as supporting theme entered the mix of the day.  There, talking to the hostess with a friend was — yep, Marty Lurie.  As he started to walk with the hostess down towards us to be seated, our eyes met, and I believe he did recognize me.  He stopped, we shook hands, I introduced Mrs. snarkk (she knows who he is) and we all just talked for a couple of minutes about our day, and the wineries we’d seen.   He said he was headed for Arizona on Monday.  In the course of the conversation, he thrust out his hand with the 2012 WS ring to Mrs. snarkk, without being asked.  She took a look, yes, very big.  He is obviously proud of it.  Anyway, we didn’t keep them long, as they needed to be seated.

Later, after we had finished our meal, I went back to the men’s room, and after, I snuck a look around the corner to find Marty.  There he was with friend in a table along the wall in the rear room.  I swooped in for one last conversation, like a sated troll.  He was again amiable, and his friend conveniently decided to go to the bathroom, so Marty graciously asked me to sit.  We sat for 5 minutes or so, chewed the fat about not much, including his upcoming trip to Cabo with Giants fans.  Gave me his private card.  He did remember I was in the group with “Paul Kocak” (he volunteered), and I was impressed.  We didn’t get  too deep into the Giants, I must say.  Just about how they’ve got a lot of work to do in the offseason.   Entirely an enjoyable conversation.  I got the feeling that this dude could talk baseball endlessly, never get tired of it.  The guy is as nice in person as he sounds on the radio.

All in all, an enjoyable  and memorable birthday, with Giants highlights.  If you’re a Giants fan these days, you don’t have to look far around here for reminders of how popular they are.  In tasting rooms, or at the restaurant, you’ll find Giants fans… and Marty Lurie.

Alright.   You guys should be re-loaded by now.  Back to the pitching vs. hitting artillery.

In Vino Veritas, and Go Giants!…

I’m actually really looking forward to the A’s game tonight. Huh. I don’t think I’ve ever said those words before. Anyway, Sonny Gray vs Verlander is a match up I’d pay to watch. Of course, it’s free on tv so that won’t be happening. I’d really like to see David Price shove a box of the Colonel’s best fried chicken down Lackey’s throat–I don’t like that guy. If I were a betting man I’d take the under in both of those games…..

Regarding the PC, you’re on your own figuring out who’s in the lead. I can’t make sense of the mess I posted in the last thread. I’ll clean it up for sure for the NLCS and the ALCS.

ps– A-ROID is an idiot. There’s just no other way to put it….

Flavor Note: I didn’t have time to collate this in an orderly way. I cut and pasted what you sent me with some minor editing to make it more readable. The standings won’t need to get adjusted for a week or so. At some point, I’ll re-do this so it’s more readable.

WesFromRoseville!!!!!! : Give me the Cards in 4, Braves in 4, A’s in 5, and RedSox in 5

Rooster:  Dodgers in 4, Cardinals in 5, Red Sox in 5,Tigers in 4

WilcoJoe: Cards, Braves, Rays. and A’s all in 4.

Manny: Pitt in 5 games, Atl  in 5 games, Tampa in 5 games, Oakland in 5 games

Salty: Cards in 5, Dodgers 4, Boston 3,Detroit 4

Pawlie: Tampa Bay over Bos 3-2, Atl over LA 3-1, Pitts over Stl 3-1, Oak over Det 3-2

MacDog: I’m picking Pittsburgh in 4, Atlanta in 5, Boston in 4, Detroit in 5

SanDiggityDawg: Pirates in 4, Braves in 5, Rays in 3, A’s in 5

ChiPower: Cards in 5, Bums in 5, RedSox in 4, Tigers in 5

BirdDog:  St. Louis in 4,LA in 4,Boston in 5,Oakland in 4

Snarkk: Pittsburgh in 5, Atlanta in 5, Rays in 4, Oakland in 4

IrishKevin: Pitts in 5, Boston in 4, Braves in 5, Oakland in 5

Sidewinder: Pirates,dodgers, Rays, and the A’s (he didn’t give me # of games so he misses out on those points)

AllyKat; StLouis over Pittsburgh in 4, LA  over Atlanta in 5, Tampa Bay over Boston in 5, Oakland A’s over Detroit in 4

UncaChuck:  Pittsburgh in 5, Atlanta in 4, Oakland in 4, Red Sox in 4

BoxHead: Dodgers in 4, RedSox in 5,A’s in 4, Cards in 4

Blade: Pitt in 5, Atlanta in 4, Boston in 4, Oakland in 4

SportsDude: A’s in 6, Bosox in 5, St louis, Atlanta

DUNKIRKWANTSREVENGE40 (denny) dodgers in 5, cards in 3, red sox in 5, tigers in 3

Flavor: St Louis in 4, Atlanta in 5, Tampa Bay in 4, Oakland in 5

We’ve finally got some data to crunch and as we head into the division series championships, the standings look like this:

FIRST PLACE!

Salty: 2-0

UncaChuck: 2-0

Pawlie: 2-0

WilcoJoe: 2-0

Manny: 2-0

SportsDude: 2-0

Second Place….

Rooster: 1-1

Allykat: 1-1

Denny: 1-1

ChiPower: 1-1

Snarkk: 1-1

SanDawg: 1-1

MacDawg: 1-1

Sidewinder: 1-1

BirdDog: 1-1

IrishKevin: 1-1

WesFromRoseville!: 1-1

Flavor: 1-1

LAST PLACE 😦 

Blade: 0-2

BoxHead: 0-2

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Please send me BOTH your NLDS and ALDS picks BEFORE the first NLDS Game 1 on Thursday. I want to release everyone’s NLDS/ALDS picks at the same time. ALSO INCLUDE THE NUMBER OF GAMES IN WHICH YOU ARE PREDICTING YOUR TEAM WILL WIN IN. Don’t forget to do this, you will earn an extra point if you nail that cold. So, to be clear, your email to me (and I’m gonna be like the Soup Nazi on this stuff) before the first game on Thursday will look *something* like this:

“Dear Flavor:

I’m picking Pittsburgh in 5, Atlanta in 3, Boston in 4, Oakland in 4

Sincerely, A Card Carrying Member of Flavor Nation (or, insert name here)”

That’s 8 points that are up for grabs in the division series games. So even Blade and Boxhead are still technically in this if they go off in a couple (or all) of those 4 series.

Important Note: I chased after a couple of you for your correct wild card picks because the play-in game was a little confusing and not part of this contest. But my *chasin’ days* are over. If you forget to send me a pick or forget to send in the number of games you think your pick will win in or you forget the number of games they are playing in the series, that’s all on you. I will accept emails CHANGING your picks as long as I receive the email before the first game on Thursday. But try not to do that, it’s annoying to manage.

Second Important Note: Do not send me your picks for the NLCS or the ALCS. Those games haven’t been determined yet. Look at the schedule I’ve posted above. Those are the only games you are to be sending me picks for in this current round.

Final Important Note: the upcoming division series’ are 5 games each. The NLCS and the ALCS are 7 games as is the World Series. And that’s the last time I say that.

Good luck to all!

By the way, this is a cool map of all the hits the blog has taken  over the last 2 months. As I predicted when I first started this blog, when the aliens finally land on earth they will be greeted with a sign that simply says: “Flavor Nation. All Are Welcome…Except Dodger Fans Who Need to Head to 4th Rock from Sun”.

I’m only human, if I imputed any of this incorrectly just re-send your email and I’ll change it. Good luck to all!

Salty: Pirates and Tampa

Rooster: Pirates and Cleveland

AllyKat: Reds and Tampa Bay

Denny: Reds and Tampa Bay

ChiPower: Pirates and Cleveland

Snarkk: Pirates and Cleveland

SanDawg: Pirates and Cleveland

Unca Chuck: Pirates and Tampa Bay

Pawlie: Pirates and tampa Bay

Blade: Reds and Cleveland

MacDog: Pirates and Cleveland

Wilcoe Joe: Pirates and Tampa Bay

BoxHead: Reds and Cleveland

Sidewinder: Pirates and Cleveland

Manny: Pirates and Tampa Bay

Bird Dog: Pirates and Cleveland

Irish Kevin: Pirates and Cleveland

WesFromRoseville: Pirates and Cleveland

SportsDude: Pirates and Tampa Bay

Flavor: Reds and Tampa Bay

I didn’t want to call it “The Greatest Contest of All Time” because that would just be over the top. But this one ranks right near the top. Free entry in a contest pitting 18 dudes against each other to win a brand new, hand made PC? Absurd. And yet it’s happening. In no particular order, meet the esteemed contestants.

ChiPower: a great Flap vet, always positive in nature and a bigger Giants fan I don’t think I’ve met. He is also part of the single best WS trophy tour pic I think I’ve ever seen. Check it out in the photo bucket.

UncaChuck: blog owner of ninersforever.com, football is his game but he spends tons of time time rockin’ the Orange and Black as hard as anyone over the last 40+ years or so. He also shares a unique kinship with the next player……

SanDawg: My main man from San Diego and the guy who named my dad *Bobby Bowden* after he met him a few years ago during a golf game. I don’t think I’ve called my dad *dad* since ‘dawg gave him the nickname. He’s *BB* to me, from here on out. SanDawg has also dutifully sired 2 sons, 50% of them are dating one of Chuck’s daughters. And with but one Unca daughter remaining, I think we can all do the math and identify the ultimate output. 🙂

Snarkk: The Flap’s unpaid legal counsel, a 2-time Flapalooza attendee, and a Cal fan. Two out of three is still very good, especially in baseball.

MacDog: one of my east coast correspondents and photographer of “Wreck of the Fortuna”.  Also, his daughter appears to be a legit softball player.    And while his smile looks a little forced in pictures, his love of the Giants is as free flowing as a twig traveling on the shoulders of a mighty stream…….

Rooster: the one fucking Dodger fan in this contest. Please, everyone, destroy him. Unfortunately seems like a good dude or I would be reveling in the fact that he has to root for that putrid, shit team. They last won a World Series when I was in high school. Ouch. Strap your eye goggles on my man and gear up for the 2013 post season! That has to be a good look for you, right?

AllyKat: He rocks the Peninsula just like I do and he is super down with Jonny Monnell getting a start one day. He rep’s the San Carlos bar scene pretty well, too.

Salty: one of a handful of bloggers here who rises above the bullshit and never gets into it with anyone. Well done dude, I really appreciate that. You remind us that at the end of the day, we all are rooting for the same team (except for the dude 2 places above you in this thread).

Blade: Another 2 time Flapalooza attendee and he makes it all the way out from Colorado. He owns a great travel blog, too: aroundtheworldwithblade.wordpress.com. He also recently took down the Flap Fantasy Baseball Championship of which he is a 2 time winner…..

Manny: Drops in and out at the Flap, always comes across as a big time Giants fan from somewhere, I’m guessing, in the midwest

Pawlie: My main man from New York. Esteemed author, lover of good ol’ fashioned mall tits, and he’s literally never missed a conversation with a stranger wearing SF Giants gear.

BirdDog: lots I could say about this dude, all good, but this thread I wrote 3 years ago covers some of it: https://oneflapdown77.com/2010/10/19/great-cody-ross-story/ . Goddamn, I miss that time……

WilcoJoe: a diehard Giants fan who simply dominates Giants games in Houston like no other out of town Giants fan I’ve ever seen or heard about. I would LOVE to hit a game with this dude one day. Looking forward to his first Flapalooza extravaganza one of these years……

SportsDude: So-Cal dude who represents us at Dodger games. Keep a low-pro, Dude, though I guess you already know that.

IrishKevin: Probably the worst fantasy baseball player I have ever seen but he’s got a great attitude and is always trying to improve. And he’s a huge Giants fan from the Sacramento area.

Sidewinder: A disciple of Chuck’s blog ninersforever.com, he’s trying to make the switch to a new sport. Tough crossover but definitely a dark horse in this contest, he’s trying to bring back the gold to the red & gold……

WesFromRoseville: I think Wes is the only contestant in this thing who’s never posted here. He made a very compelling argument for why he wanted to play in an email. I liked what he wrote, so he’s in.

BoxHead: He shows up at the blog from time to time with thoughtful posts and cogent perspectives. He’s usually gone as quickly as he appears but he’s a showman, a rapscallion, you take guys like that in small doses and appreciate your interaction with them later on in life, maybe during thoughtful reflection…..

Flavor: ’nuff said.

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most of you have sent me your picks for the first wild card game tomorrow. If you haven’t, stop stalling, this contest ain’t gonna win itself……

****DEADLINE TO ENTER (IE, SEND US AN EMAIL SAYING YOU ARE PLAYING) IS TODAY, MONDAY AT 4PM****

If you read the blog even half-way regularly you know that Twin has decided to put on another one of his famous contests. For those who read less than half-way regularly, these are always lots of fun. The prizes are always rad, usually hand made PC’s by Twin himself. More than a half dozen vets here can vouch for the quality of these units that they won competing in his contests. And you don’t have to spend anything to participate unless your internet provider charges you for sending an email. If that’s the case should focus your free time on finding a new internet provider……….

All Flappers are welcome to participate in the contest. I know the blog world is fraught with lurkers who read but don’t write—you come to this site, you’re a Flapper. I’m inviting you to come out from the shadows. All you have to do is email me or Twin and say you want to play. That’s it. And if you just want to play for fun and don’t want the PC if you win that’s totally cool. Just play for the “W”. I don’t anticipate hearing from a lurker cause that would be in conflict with the whole *shadowy* thing. Nevertheless, you are invited. The only contingent is that me or Twin have seen you post here before I typed this thread (or that you make a good case for why you want to play in the email you send me)……

Here are the rules of the contest:

You start by picking the winner of the wild card games–1 point for each game picked correctly. You get another point for picking the correct winner of the NLDS and ALDS, the NLCS and ALCS and the ultimate World Series winner. You will also pick the number of games it takes for your predicted team to win each series. You get an additional point each time you predict the number of games it took for your team to win the series. Example: In the ALCS you predict that the A’s to beat the Tigers in 4.  If the A’s win in 4 you get 2 points. If the A’s sweep the Tigers in 3 you get 1 point. If the Tigers win you get nothing.

Now, let me stop to reiterate (from previous threads) a critical component to this contest: Do NOT send me all of your picks for the playoffs in one long email. We are going *series to series* here. 

There is a World Series tie-breaker thing that I’ll discuss later as the contest unfolds.

The way the contest starts: The first pick you will send me via email will be your prediction of who will win the Pitt/Cinn wild card card game on Tuesday. You can send me your pick anytime before first pitch of game. Your next pick will be your prediction for the winner of the Cleveland wild card game (their opponent will be determined tomorrow).

After both of the wild card games I will create a Standings page that will exist on the right side of the blog. And whether you won or lost your WC picks, you will then send me your NLDS/ALCS picks. And so on and so on. The standings will change accordingly.

If you want to play just email me or Twin before the first wild card game is played. Our emails are bigflavor77@gmail.com and michael.scott2@mchsi.com

Another detail of the contest: When you send me an email containing your prediction I will send you back a confirmation email locking your pick in. I check email every 2 hours daily.

Any questions, kick ’em down. We’ve got about 15 players confirmed so far but that number is growing…..

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a couple of updated notes:

1) some of you are sending me predictions for the Tampa/Texas game. Do not do this. It’s not a wild card game, it’s a tie-breaker game to determine who will face Cleveland in the AL WC game

2) don’t announce who you are picking in the thread. I mean, you can if you want but it puts you at a disadvantage if others know who you have picked–this will be of increased importance once the wild card games are over. I’ll release everyone’s picks once each series has started and the picks are locked in.

First of all, the Giants did NOT overpay to keep Hunter Pence. He would have gotten 5 years/90 million from somebody. It’s possible he would have gotten more like a “J-Werth” contract of 7 years/120mil+. And an Ethier or Upton deal in the ballpark of 75-85 million was virtually guaranteed.

Buster Olney talked to one baseball exec who summed it up this way:

General Managers don’t just look at the basic stats anymore, those days are long gone. And anyway you cut it, Hunter Pence is one of the top outfielders in the National League. Add in his durability, attitude, clubhouse presence and his motorized scootering abilities and you are talking about a player that any team in the league would want starting in their outfield. And the fact that he’s put up elite outfield numbers at AT&T Park, something a guy like Aaron Rowand never had done by the way, is another line on his resume that wouldn’t get ignored. And he was going to get paid handsomely for his resume.

Here’s where Pence ranks overall in the NL outfielder list for WAR:

Here’s where he ranks for offense/WAR (again, NL outfielders only):

I’m not a big WAR guy because it factors way too much defense and base running into the number and I could care less about defense and base running from a fantasy baseball perspective–as long as they are being benched BECAUSE of their defense and base running, I ignore that metric. But WAR is a good tool to evaluate a player’s overall worth to the team. By the way, that’s why we won’t be doing any “Woo Hoo” for signing Shin-Soo Choo this off season. Shin-Soo’s agent jizzed in his pants when he saw what Pence got, he will get his client at least that and possibly more…….

As the year went on, I came around on signing Pence mostly because he ended up having a very good year, there is obviously nobody out there better who we can just plug into right field and I don’t feel like we overpaid for him. Those are the main reasons I am behind this signing.

If it doesn’t work out, it will be over soon enough. Although that’s what Angels fans are telling themselves about Josh Hamilton who’s deal is backloaded to pay him $32 million in each of the last 2 years of his 5 year deal. In those same 2 years (’16 and ’17) the Angels will also be paying Pujols $25 and $26 million and that deal runs through 2021 where Albert will get paid $30 million to sit on their bench……

So there are worse contracts out there for other fans in other cities to trip on. I’m not trippin’ on Pence’s deal. I’m glad it’s done and happy he’ll be a Giant for the next 5 years…..

Macdog said, on September 27, 2013 at 11:12 pm (Edit)

Y’all have the Quest for 3rd. I had the Drive for 75! And with tonight’s win, the Giants have overtaken the 74-88 Cincinnati Reds of 1991 and will not be known as the Worst World Series Defending Champion That Actually Tried. But why stop there? Let’s keep drivin’ and pass the ’86 Royals (76-86) and ’67 Orioles (76-85) and try to catch the 2003 Angels (77-85).

I woke up wondering about where we stood compared to past WS champs and I find out that MacDog has done all the research for me. Well done, my man!

Personally, I care more about not ending up in last place in the NL West which we have mathematically avoided thanks to the Colorado Rockies and Blade’s early season prediction. But sure, let’s finish with 77 wins. The more the better.

Here’s a pic from a fan who snapped this during Brian Wilson’s weird confrontation with Larry Baer after the game last night.

Wilson was apparently airing several pent up grievances including wanting his 2012 World Series ring and demanding that the Giants stop using his images in stadium video. What a whiny little be-atch this guy is……

The Giants have reported tried to contact Wilson several times to give him his ring and were ignored every time. And if this d-bag thinks he owns the rights to the freaking videos of him that get used on the stadium screen then he’s got more hubris than I ever thought he had. I had wished Wilson well but after this girlish tantrum I say “good riddence.”

Seven years, in the books. 126 million dollars. Last night he earned his 63rd regular season win with the Giants. It was a very Zen-like move of him to polish off a career that saw Sabean pay him 2 million per win, exactly. But it was his 2 playoff victories that we will remember him for. #rallyzito

I’m gonna stay away from Bochy’s senior moment last night:

In many ways his career in SF can be summed up in this single picture from last night’s game:

So long, my man. Don’t forget to feed your unicorn regularly. Service the wife as needed. Steer clear of the sharks, they bite ya know. And safe travels…..

6 runs/49 frames.

‘Nuff said….

I watched the end of the Buc’s game on mlb.com last night. Grilli, who was in the process of blowing the save, gave up a hit to the outfield. Byrd stumbled and fumbled the ball but McCutchen was there to pick it up and fire it in, though off line. Morneau managed to snare the desperate throw and flip it to Martin who tagged out Schierholtz at the plate–*BUCffoonery* in all it’s abject glory. Here’s the play if you missed it:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_09_23_pitmlb_chnmlb_1&mode=video&content_id=30882403&tcid=vpp_copy_30882403

Is that not the perfect way for an incompetent franchise like the Bucs to reach the post season for the first time since 1992? Jesus, that was a long time ago. I was just graduating college at Lewis & Clark. Will the Thrill was our 1st baseman. Tiny Felder was one of our outfielders. Righetti was in the bullpen. The Bucs? Tim Wakefield was a rookie in ’92. I think he’s about 123 years old right now. And finally retired. Barry Bonds and Kirk Gibson were teammates. I bet that made for an interesting clubhouse.

What were you doing in ’92?

Pittsburgh’s dry spell makes me appreciate “2 in Three” all that much more……

Now that we’ve accepted the cold reality of missing the playoffs this year, I’m wondering who you are all rooting for (if anyone) the rest of the way. In the AL, I’m finding myself leaning towards wanting to see the Royals snag one of the wild card spots. Growing up, I was a big George Brett fan, I like their uni’s and I have always thought their ballpark has stood the test of time–seems like a very cool yard. And if any of you caught that walk off grand slam yesterday then you can tell that there’s some magic swirling in KC this year.

I also wouldn’t have a problem with the A’s winning it all. Before our *Two in 3* I might have had an issue with it but the fact is, I like several players on their team. And with gallons of shit coming up and into the dugout recently you kinda have to almost feel sorry for the A’s.

In the NL, it’s all about the Pirates. Great story. Great city for baseball. The “We are family” days could be coming back. That was such a fun time in baseball history……..

Twin is back and so are his contests. This one will be a post season contest. The prize is a desktop computer that he can tell you about. He’s given away many of these and they are awesome. If you’re interested in playing, email me (bigflavor77@gmail.com) or indicate in the comment section below that you want to participate. Twin has a running list already. Here are the rules:

Before each series (and 2 wild card games) you email me the team you think will win along with how many games it will take them for your team to close out the series. If you pick the correct winning team, you get a point. If you also pick the correct number of games it took for them to win, you get another point. Obviously for the wild card games you just pick the team. You will email me your picks four times:

1) before the wild card games

2) before the NLDS and ALCS

3) before the NLCS and ALCS

4) before the World Series

your email should look something like this: “Reds in 5. Tigers in 6”.  Note: the division series are 5 games, the championship series and World Series are 7 games. DO NOT EMAIL ME YOUR PREDICTIONS FOR THE ENTIRE POST SEASON. After each series ends you will send me your picks for the upcoming one. If you forget to email me before the games start you are not eliminated from the contest you just wouldn’t get a chance to earn any points for that series. I will send you back a confirmation email locking in your picks.

Tie Breaker Rule: You will also predict the total number of runs scored by both teams in the world series. This will be used as a tie breaker if there’s a tie after the WS is completed. I will create a “Contest Standings” page so that Flavor Nation and the rest of the world can follow along.

If you picked everything perfectly, you would have a total of 12 points. If someone tied you with 12 points, the tie breaker of *total runs scored in world series* will decide the ultimate winner.

Jon Miller was recently interviewed by Howard Medgal (“Sports on Earth”) and was asked to break down the failure points of the 2013 season. He said pretty typical things that we’ve all discussed, but I did find this comment interesting (in response to the challenges the Giants face in keeping up with the free spending Dodgers):

“The cost of a superstar bat, or a superstar pitcher, has to go to the mortgage every year,” Miller said. “And they still have to put money into revenue sharing — one of the haves. Or maybe the way they look at it, maybe, they have to write a check to Oakland, write a welfare check to Oakland, which is a different story.”

Now, I know the Giants refinanced their stadium loan so it’s not going to get paid off by 2017 as had been originally planned. But I don’t understand Miller’s comment at all. He uses the $20 mil annual finance payment as an excuse (or a *reason* depending on how you look at it) for why they can’t go after a $20mil/year bat but makes no mention of their monstrous yearly revenue. How could the mortgage payment be the reason they don’t go after a big bat?

And the re-fi was done so the team could develop the parking lot across from McCovey Cove. They’re going to build parks and restaurants (another future revenue bonanza for the team).

Miller should have stuffed his mouth with a couple of those tasty ballpark hot dogs before he tried to answer this question……

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Post season Prediction Contest:

Twin is organizing a (see above). If you’re interested, please indicate that you want to play in the comment section below. Here is his post from yesterday with some details: